Excess FDX
#2
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#3
Actually there may be a silver lining in all of this...The over 60's who had no intent on moving out of the S/O' seat in the 10 and 27 will be saying see yaa! Plus, this will finally close the door on those wanting to come back to the S/O panels even after age 65. READ : Lots of old guys retiring NOW!!!! Enjoy your retirement!
#4
Actually there may be a silver lining in all of this...The over 60's who had no intent on moving out of the S/O' seat in the 10 and 27 will be saying see yaa! Plus, this will finally close the door on those wanting to come back to the S/O panels even after age 65. READ : Lots of old guys retiring NOW!!!! Enjoy your retirement!
How do you figure that?
Most of those guys either a) have no life and therefore wanted to keep flying but couldn't do it in any seat, therefore had to go to the panel or b) went to the panel hoping the rule would change and then would go back to their Captain's seat.
This should be interesting either way.
WM
#5
WM,
Simple; The remaining over 60's that couldn't get a class I to hold drivers seats will have no choice in the 10 but to retire. The others that may not have wanted to or couldn't 'complete' Captain upgrade are in the same boat. Easiest thing for them to do at this point is retire. My second point about not coming back to any engineer seat after 65 is due to the current excess bid in those seats. In past practice, the Company would allow this to occur even though no Vacancy Bid existed and set a precedence. Now however there exists a new set of circumstances that would give the Company relief to change the process. After all, aren't we "overmanned"? I find it hard to believe they would allow over 65's to come back to a seat that is being excessed or eliminated.
Simple; The remaining over 60's that couldn't get a class I to hold drivers seats will have no choice in the 10 but to retire. The others that may not have wanted to or couldn't 'complete' Captain upgrade are in the same boat. Easiest thing for them to do at this point is retire. My second point about not coming back to any engineer seat after 65 is due to the current excess bid in those seats. In past practice, the Company would allow this to occur even though no Vacancy Bid existed and set a precedence. Now however there exists a new set of circumstances that would give the Company relief to change the process. After all, aren't we "overmanned"? I find it hard to believe they would allow over 65's to come back to a seat that is being excessed or eliminated.
#7
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#8
Wouldn't they have to do another excess in that seat if they determined it was way too full? In other words there is no limit to how many can excess into a seat (except FDA) just that all inbounds are senior to the bottom guy currently holding.
#9
WM,
Simple; The remaining over 60's that couldn't get a class I to hold drivers seats will have no choice in the 10 but to retire. The others that may not have wanted to or couldn't 'complete' Captain upgrade are in the same boat. Easiest thing for them to do at this point is retire. My second point about not coming back to any engineer seat after 65 is due to the current excess bid in those seats. In past practice, the Company would allow this to occur even though no Vacancy Bid existed and set a precedence. Now however there exists a new set of circumstances that would give the Company relief to change the process. After all, aren't we "overmanned"? I find it hard to believe they would allow over 65's to come back to a seat that is being excessed or eliminated.
Simple; The remaining over 60's that couldn't get a class I to hold drivers seats will have no choice in the 10 but to retire. The others that may not have wanted to or couldn't 'complete' Captain upgrade are in the same boat. Easiest thing for them to do at this point is retire. My second point about not coming back to any engineer seat after 65 is due to the current excess bid in those seats. In past practice, the Company would allow this to occur even though no Vacancy Bid existed and set a precedence. Now however there exists a new set of circumstances that would give the Company relief to change the process. After all, aren't we "overmanned"? I find it hard to believe they would allow over 65's to come back to a seat that is being excessed or eliminated.
Okay okay. All good info. I don't have firm numbers on how many geezers can't hold a Class 1. So maybe that's a player.
All I really care about is: What does this mean to ME!!!? (This is me joking around).
Wildmanny
#10
"no pilot will be furloughed as a result of this excess."
Gotta call it like it is. I think the company could easily put 100 or so on the street. My hat's off to them for not doing it (wait, I don't wear a hat here, that was another airline!)
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