The IPA told a potential furlough that he could be gone for 5 years.

If the IPA is telling guys to plan on being furloughed for five years, and we as an organization allow this to happen to our brothers and sisters like 'jungle' and 'average joe' suggest, don't be surprised if these guys take a job in management if offered.

I would, because it's obvious that this group isn't worth a

I'm tired the union scaring everyone to a concession. You know this is just dose of reality, You get furloghed and then called back 3 to 5 yrs and i call the BS on this one because there is no way ups can operate with 300 less pilot for another 5 yrs especially when we come out of this down turn and it's gonna be way before 5 yrs. If this cycle continues for another 5 yrs we as pilot and a nation have lots more to worry about then IPA, UPS and few hundred guys on the street, Another 5 yrs and we'll be sitting across the table eating soup and bread in a church with barr and lekites and talking about the good ole days.

???

28,000 fewer block hours, dozens of acft parked, volume down 5-10%, mechanics furloughed, part-time ground pounders fired, full-time Teamsters laid off... do you see a pattern FR8K9?

Do you read the newspaper about the huge number of job losses and bankruptcies outside of UPS?

"allow this to happen"? You are confused and have grossly unrealistic expectations regarding the power of a union, IMO.

Joe

The IPA is telling guys this. I didn't pull this number out of my ass. It was a quote from a guy that heard it at the IPA building in SDF.

You make the call.

Mark my words-- UPS is about to have some of the best years in the 108 year history of this company!!

-Competition is gone
-oil is down
-they must be confident if they are buying back billions in their own stock
-buying airplanes
-fed is pumping money into the economy

I'll stand by my point, if we casually allow guys to be tossed to the street for years, this organization is done for!

So the IPA is supposed to stop the furlough? You are right though there will be a group that blames the IPA just like guys in the past that have lost jobs at ALPA carriers blame ALPA. The economy sucks, there is less flying, along with the age 65 thing it is the perfect storm to cause a lot of pain for us.

One more thing. This is going to effect everyone that is not in the top 30% of the seniority list. A lot of guys still have their heads in the sand. If the economy doesn't improve going forward, UPS is going to need way less pilots. Many captains are going to be downgraded and many more are going to be forced to ANC. My opinion is that before this is all over the junior captain in the lower 48 will be a 92 hire and the junior captain in ANC will be a 94 hire.

No way we can operate for 5 years with 300 less pilots. I agree that when the recession ends UPS will be poised to capitalize on the lack of competition and fuel hedges. If the IPA is telling guys to expect a 5 year furlough than they have already struck a deal with UPS about concessions.

AA has had guys on the streets for alot longer than 5 years... never say never!!

Here is the news: Neither the IPA or the company know how long this is going to last. They can only speculate and do their best to adapt to the changes.
You believe the company is conspiring against the pilot group, but you haven't looked out the window to see what the economic weather is like, there is a severe storm going on out there and you seem to be unaware of it.

If you feel the need to continue to insult me, that is fine because I consider the source before I react, but I will ask that you not insult other members here who are writing thoughtful and rational posts.

And this money is coming from.....

This is the second term of Jimmy Carter aided by a radical left-wing Congressional leadership. You must be too young too remember that, so you may have to read some history books.

I got a mortgage then (1980) when the interest rate on an 80% loan came down to 12 1/2%.