Reagarding the new hires...What happened to the guys they laid off? Did they get re-hired or does XO just lay off and hire new guys when the opportunity presents itself?

DWS1, I think the rule is, if you're part of an unionized workforce, you get furloughed and retain recall rights. If you're not unionized, you just get laid off, and its up to the company to bring you back or hire someone else..

am I right or wrong?? someone help me out

UCLA
It has little to do with unions but just depends on what is agreed upon. Industry "standard" is for furloughed folks to have recall rights, but either way it needs to be spelled out in writing. There are non-union flying companies that have furloughed and given recall rights to their pilots. Not sure what the situation is/was at XOJET.

I believe its called right to work, or at will employment, or something like that. The pilots that were let go were terminated, not furloughed. No recall rights for those let go... I heard a few may be coming back but I don't think many will be "recalled".

It is what it is and it sucks to all that were involved. XOJET (the correct spelling) is a great place to work and there are a lot of good things coming down the pipes. There is a lot that most will never understand about the 23 that were let go...

"Right to work" means that there is no forced unionization as a condition of employment. Non-right to work employers (or the states) require union membership.

"At-will" expresses no contract between the employer and the employee. They can fire you on a whim, or you can quit on a whim.

From what I have read here on the forum, it appears that the pilots from XOJET were terminated at will.

Hey UCLA,

Not having a union does not necessarily a crap company make....

I worked at a place that had no furlough policy during a slowdown. We were unrepresented, at-will employees subject to termination at any time, but the owner, D.O., and Chief Pilot all got together and came up with a furlough policy in about 30 seconds. They said "Hey, you guys did right by us, so we are going to do right by you..." They said that when business improved, that pilots will be recalled by seniority (which is the standard in the free world), and they honored their word. Citation Shares is another example of a non-union company that did the right thing... This mutual employer/employee respect results in a symbiotic relationship between pilot and Company.

It's nice to know that they had our backs, even if it wasn't in writing.

In Unity,

B727DRVR

Cool, just understand that I'm not spreading union propaganda in here, don't really care much about that, definetly not on my agenda...... I was just trying to answer the guy's question........

Hey UCLA,

You are actually correct: My case could have been more the exception than the rule. It is better to have it spelled out for both parties in advance, and from my salutation you can probably discern which side I favor...

In Unity,

B727DRVR

You sure about that? The letter I got said I was "terminated" and there is nothing in writing anywhere that says they will recall in seniority order, or at all for that matter.

Wow wings,

I am sorry to hear that. I had bought into the propaganda that Citation Shares had "done the right thing" by first offering Military leaves, LOA's, VLOA's, severance pay, and recall by seniority. I am sorry if this wasn't the case.

Any way you could let your fellow pilots know what really happened? If enough pilots hear about a company wronging their employees, it could help all pilots.....

I hope that things go better for you and, again, sorry for the misinformation. I had really believed CS had done the honorable thing..

Good luck and hang in there.

In Unity,

B727DRVR