Round and round it goes, where it stops, NONBOY knows!!!!!!!

As opposed to getting lost, losing SA, failing to crosscheck, poor CRM, trying to climb with the speed brake/spoilers deployed, not arming them in the first place, continuing into windshear, failing to just divert in the first place as opposed to pressing a bad situation, etc.

Said this before, I'll say it again. Colgan was case of a substandard PIC and an inexperienced crew, and it showed. Direct cause-effect situation. And everybody should be rightfully outraged.

The other examples were experienced/well trained crews that killed people. There should be just as much (if not more) outrage.

Again, repetition. Experienced, well trained, high paid pilots can kill people just as fast as those without it. Sometimes it's simply luck that puts them the "live to tell about" side.

Sorry, think you kinda missed the point.

So, what was your point? You're sure as heck making a great case for the RAA.

Again, come on, you know what I'm talking about. You're smarter than that.

You've said it yourself, we ALL screw up, regardless of theexperience/skill/training level.

Nope, not what I said. But can you tell me it was pure skill/experience/knowledge/training that kept DAL, CAL, and UAL alive? If you think there wasn't A LOT of luck in those instances, sorry, don't know what to tell you.

Nope, never said nor implied that. See what I wrote above

Sorry, don't watch basketball and couldn't care less. Use common sense? Sure, if you say so. Maybe if UAL, CAL, and DAL used some common sense we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I think this is a point we should acknowledge and move on to the actual issues regarding scope in relation to mainline versus regional delineation.

The constant rehashing of past incidents and accidents, as far as the discussion of scope goes, is irrelevant.

While I wholeheartedly agree that there are some major pitfalls and gaps in the regional sector of our industry, regional airline pilots have had a pretty decent aviation safety record over the past ten years considering that the regional sector has grown considerably under horrid management spewing some of the worst QOL standards, pay, and work rules in this industry's history.

Agreed. But then again, it is a message board. What would it be without thread drift?

Yep. BTW, who/what is that from in your avatar?

Nope, but in those specific cases, what would you call it?

Ummmm....what? Did you read anything I wrote?

Not sure how you're really qualified on what it's like to share a cockpit with me. But there are people are here who have. If they want to chime in, I'll gladly take their input. But your assumptions about me couldn't be more wrong, sorry to break your heart buddy. And if you really want to continue to make this personal and flame me, have at it brother. Won't last long you know.

OK, let me get this straight - Scope is a good thing?

Come on, seriously now, don't you know a real man's pilot plays Texas Hold 'Em.

Your right....they were flying with a checkairman, landing in a thunderstorm in LIT!