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Originally Posted by mloub
I'm not a Pilot, but I have an interest in Pinnacle.
I've seen several people mention that reducing the certificates to one from the current 3 - or two that management has proposed - will save on training costs. I am having trouble understanding why that is though. Wouldn't training costs be a factor of folks moving from one aircraft type to another, regardless of what certificate those aircraft are on?
Or are SOP slightly different from certificate to certificate requiring training above and beyond what you would expect just for the aircraft switch?
I realize this is an amateurish question, but hey, when it comes to the industry I'm an amateur.
M.
Say I am a Pinnacle MEM based -200 CA. I want MEM -900 CA. If we were one certificate, all I would have to do is 3 days or so of differences training and a little IOE. Since only Mesaba has a MEM-900 base, and they are on a separate certificate, I would have to go through full newhire indoc and aircraft training and full sim sessions and IOE. 8 weeks or so. Then when Pinnacle and Mesaba finally get their certificates merged in a few months, since it would be the Pinnacle certificate, I would have to go through an abbreviated Pinnacle indoc/systems/sim/IOE again. So basically 2 additional full type rating courses in an airplane I already have a type in vs a 1 week process...
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
I can see this playing out one of two ways.
The first way is Menke and co find a way to put all these aircraft on one certificate. They ask ALPA to slow down or halt the implementation of 11-09 and freeze everybody where they are until the integration of the certificates is complete. The only movement will be that caused by attrition and openings at each certificate.
The second way is Menke cannot find a way to get everything down to one certificate. Then I think they will ask ALPA to put a quota on how many can move and slow the process down to make it more bearable in terms of cost. Then once the award is implemented there will be restrictions in place to prevent movement between certificates.
Last I heard the certificate mergers were going to be approved by the Feds in late NOV/DEC, but the paperwork that Pinnacle sent to them was so full of typos and grammar errors etc. the feds threw it back at them and said fix it. Anyone who has ever received a 9e memo knows this is a very real possibility. Believe this rumor at your own risk. So it's basically a matter of getting a grammar nazi to merge our certificates.