When did an ALPA national "rep", making north of $500K, ever even consider slumming in a "company line swine hotel".

Might want to revisit your attempt at a comeback.

Because the pilot's I listed don't have jobs anymore?

I do that about 4 times a year at $20,000 total.

150 rides per year at $10 per ride equals $1,500 total.

150 days per year at $10 per day equals $1,500 total.

150 nights per year at $100 per night equals $15,000 total.

That's about $38,000 extra added to our reported income. So again, lets compare incomes of these guys that make $860,000 plus and $1,006,000 plus. Even if they traveled like airline pilots, it would take their comparative income down to $968,000 and 768,000 respectively.

Try again shiznit. Those items are already accounted for on our W2's.

Carl

You seem a bit confused. Here's shiznit's claim:

The airlines I listed aren't here any more. Shiznit said ALPA's job is to ensure pilots have a job to show up for.

You need to do a better job of deflection johnso.

Carl

I'm on the outside looking in. The above comment is spot on based on previous experience at two ALPA carriers. It's my opinion that Delta going in house weakens the entire profession which will eventually have an impact on the pilots at a Delta Airlines.

Yes I witnessed the dysfunction of ALPA several times. That said it is critical that every pilot remain engaged and not become jaded to the process. Your local MEC has to have the stones to disagree with ALPA national and say no.

At this point a lot of it is out of DPA's (or anyone else's) hands. Much of this will come down to the TWA litigation IMHO. There is no way ALPA members, most of which are at lower middle class to borderline food stamp levels, are somehow going to be saddled with 20-50K each to magically enable a non existent at the time bankrupt airline's retroactive relative seniority fantasy re-do. That one issue alone will cause DL or UAL to leave, and once that happens all will leave and it will collapse. Either way the ambluance chasers won't get their fantasy billion dollar payday. If that causes a weakening at the national level, that will be something we all, including the AA/TWA pilots will have to deal with in trick down pattern bargaining. Oh well. We're not being saddled with that kind of burden to placate their seniority re-do fantasy, so whatever it takes it takes.

Back on topic- Capt. Moak's strategy.

He sent an email to the Eagle Pilots several months back basically stating that Legacy pilots had taken pay cuts ten years ago while regional pilots generally hadn't, and that AMR's asking for cuts now isn't necessarily out of line. Spread the love, you know...

I guess he hasn't been reading USAToday et al re: IMPENDING PILOT SHORTAGE!

He needs to start spreading the message that low airfares and Airline Mgt. have now made this occupation (not career) so undesirable that no one wants in, and the only way to stop it is better pay and work rules.

Success is built on leadership and goals.

I have asked Captain Moak repeatedly to list and share his top 10 goals. We should be able to stop any fellow ALPA pilots and ask them what are our top 10 ALPA National goes and have them list them. That is leadership.

Captain Moak does talk of issues that are important to us. The problem is they are at the top of management's list. He is simply working for Richard Anderson. His attempt to force the Eagle pilots into concessions when there are no pilots is a perfect expample. Another is his lack of any effort to restore our contracts.

There is no difference between ALPA and management.

To answer your questions with one answer....ALPA National's approach is to substitute pay increases, QOL improvements, and contractual restorations with promises of mainline jobs and aircraft orders.

Promises and innuendo are the cheapest bargaining chips because they cost very little and are rarely held to be accountable.

ALPA may endorse these POS regional contracts, but ultimately we, the pilots, are the ones who need to stop passing them.