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Unless you read the first paragraph of ALPA Magazine September 2013, page 23:

ALPA Builds Future Career-Progression Opportunities For Fee-for-Departure Pilots

by ALPA Staff

On August 13, ALPA's fee-for-departure (FFD) airline pilot groups signed a unified statement making clear that the Association will not permit whipsawing of FFD pilot groups and affirming that ALPA's collective bargaining agreements should promote career paths for FFD pilots to mainline airlines.

"I'm pleased..." said Moak.

scambo1

I just love a well framed debate started from a position of logic and power. However, this isn't it.

Carl Spackler

When I started as an ALPA member there was no such thing as an LM-2 (form required by the government showing a union's finances) or the Internet. Therefore very few people knew how much money ALPA national officers made. This is one reason people like shiznit and slowplay decry the LM-2. They absolutely despise the LM-2.

If I had known ALPA national officers could make $1,000,000 plus a year and not be accountable to the members, maybe I would have chosen that career path. But who knew?

I think I would have had a pretty queasy feeling about making that much more than the pilots whose dues paid my salary.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I don't know if I could have lived in a more superior manor than the average ALPA president. Those manors were pretty darn superior alright.

But I do think I would lead it in a superior manner.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I know you've been able to shut down the DALPA forum because of all those "nay-sayers", but do you want to shut us up here on APC too? What about someone like me whose run for local office? Do I have to shut up too because I didn't run for national office? What about former national officers who are now "nay-sayers?" Do they have to shut up because they're no longer national officers?

Just trying to get the "shut up" rules straight Cruise.

Carl

DeadHead

I've got a real problem with that line and it just reinforces the belief that ALPA National isn't interested in "hearing" from its' pilot constituents whom they are "supposed" represent.

Basically your argument is encompassed around two key points:
1.) Only "the best" are able to make it as a ALPA National Representative.
2.) Line pilots who choose to pay dues and not run for office have no right to comment, complain, or otherwise opine on the direction of the union.

These dissociative practices is why, I, and many other pilots feel disconnected from ALPA National.

tim123

If this is true,why does moak make 2x the salary,and why should we keep moak?

tsquare

First off, I am not sure your "2x" is accurate. Don't really care actually. But just for grins I'll stipulate that it is.

Moak is a politician. Moak is in DC. Them's facts. We have the most corrupt government on the planet. (I would love to debate that, but it IS a fact...) In order to get favor from that government, it is actually pretty simple, but you need 2 things: access and money. Let's examine the second thing first. Money. The PAC and (I assume) the portion of our dues that goes to legislative affairs take care of that. the other is access. That is where Moak comes in. He is the head of the largest pilot labor union in the country. His voice will be heard... at least on some level.. by those corrupt politicians that make policy decisions. Is it worth it? I despise our federal government and those 535 at that level because of their corrutpness, but it is the way it is. I would rather have a glad handing Lee Moak there working for me than nobody... which is what you will get with alternate individual representation. (See the quote at the end)

Whatever decision you choose to make, please don't make it based on envy (or disgust) of Moak's take-home..... It has been changed downward in recent years, and if it is truly deemed out of line, it can be again. THAT is where your focus should be if you are truly bothered by it.

One of the greatest statements of all time, by one of the greatest Americans of all time:
"We must indeed all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin

Carl Spackler

Well, we have 49 posts on this thread thus far and not one answer from the ALPA/Moak defenders to the question posed by this thread. For review, here it is again:

So far, nothing but crickets from the usual suspects.

Carl

Junglejett

A nice reminder why I left the airlines. I sent my ALPA pin directly to Prater and to sum it up, told him to F*(K off. A bunch of self serving pricks.