ALPA National Restoration Strategy
12-02-2013, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Maybe if you were running the strategy. But we've got enormous talent in our pilot group in multiple disciplines. Delta pilots won't miss a beat...even without you as our head cheerleader.
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12-02-2013, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Typical Carl. Hurling insults as usual. Speaks volumes.
Was it post 59 in this thread that insulted you?
Or, was it the cheerleader reference?
Either way, thin skin their johnso
12-03-2013, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
We have to pass it to see what's in it, right?
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
DPA does not have an official plan yet because that's not their charter yet. DPA at this time is only a vehicle to decertify ALPA if Delta pilots make that choice. If that happens, elections for every position will occur and exact plans of how Delta pilots decide to move the profession of being a Delta pilot forward will be created and executed. Anything else at this time is simply one person's opinion.
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Sounds like they used the same web designer for the other train wreck that got passed to see what was in it recently. 
Anyhoo, still waiting for any of the ALPA apologists to actually respond to the subject of this thread.
Carl
12-03-2013, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Well, now we have 59 posts on this thread thus far and not one answer from the ALPA/Moak defenders to the question posed by this thread. For review, here it is again:
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Originally Posted by gzsg
What exactly is Captain Moak's strategy for restoration of our bankruptcy contracts and food stamp first officer regional pay?
So far, nothing but crickets from the usual suspects.
Carl
Quote:
Originally Posted by gzsg
What exactly is Captain Moak's strategy for restoration of our bankruptcy contracts and food stamp first officer regional pay?
So far, nothing but crickets from the usual suspects.
Carl
They believe the unreasonable cuts we took for bankruptcy were a reset, establishing a new baseline for our profession from which we can only expect "reasonable" improvements, i.e. restoration is not possible in their view. And the really sad thing is that, after years of working to lower our expectations, they've got a substantial number of pilots who have come around to their way of thinking.
12-03-2013, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
We have to pass it to see what's in it, right? Sounds like they used the same web designer for the other train wreck that got passed to see what was in it recently.
Oh, and I forgot that like the federal gubbamint, they will be more transparent too...
12-03-2013, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
And you'll get nothing but crickets (or changing the subject). I've been asking this question for almost 8 years now. They won't answer because they do not have a plan for restoration... it is NOT their objective.
They believe the unreasonable cuts we took for bankruptcy were a reset, establishing a new baseline for our profession from which we can only expect "reasonable" improvements, i.e. restoration is not possible in their view. And the really sad thing is that, after years of working to lower our expectations, they've got a substantial number of pilots who have come around to their way of thinking.
They believe the unreasonable cuts we took for bankruptcy were a reset, establishing a new baseline for our profession from which we can only expect "reasonable" improvements, i.e. restoration is not possible in their view. And the really sad thing is that, after years of working to lower our expectations, they've got a substantial number of pilots who have come around to their way of thinking.
I am not making a point, just stating a fact. I get what you are saying, and I am going to lobby for that.
It is all about the money now.
12-03-2013, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
?. What part offended you and classified as an insult ?.
Was it post 59 in this thread that insulted you?
Or, was it the cheerleader reference?
Either way, thin skin their johnso
Was it post 59 in this thread that insulted you?
Or, was it the cheerleader reference?
Either way, thin skin their johnso
I could say the same for those who cry foul over the "scourge" remark. So either stop the insults, or stop the hypocrisy. It's a two way street.
12-03-2013, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I could say the same for those who cry foul over the "scourge" remark. So either stop the insults, or stop the hypocrisy. It's a two way street.
Cheerleader - a person who leads cheers and applause.
Doesn't quite seem like the same level of criticism to me.
12-03-2013, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Exactly. Trust us. Change and hope. Same old same old...... but since the new group will be much much smarter and dedicated then the current group, things will naturally work out better for all of us.
Oh, and I forgot that like the federal gubbamint, they will be more transparent too...
Oh, and I forgot that like the federal gubbamint, they will be more transparent too...
Originally Posted by tsquare
I will vote for no contract unless it brings me C2K pay + inflation. Promise. I do not care what else is in it. How's that?
I am not making a point, just stating a fact. I get what you are saying, and I am going to lobby for that.
It is all about the money now.
I am not making a point, just stating a fact. I get what you are saying, and I am going to lobby for that.
It is all about the money now.
Let's at least try to stick with the subject shall we? We have a dedicated DPA thread for you to make your unresponsive points in.
Carl
12-03-2013, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Can you say thread drift?
Let's at least try to stick with the subject shall we? We have a dedicated DPA thread for you to make your unresponsive points in.
Carl
Let's at least try to stick with the subject shall we? We have a dedicated DPA thread for you to make your unresponsive points in.
Carl
You have already convinced everybody that ALPA has no restoration plan. So what's the point of yet another DPA will do everything better thread? I vote that the mods close this one as it serves no purpose other than to give you and 88driver another platform to spew your propaganda about how bad dALPA suck and how great DPA might be....
Mods, what say you?
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