ALPA National Restoration Strategy
12-03-2013, 12:36 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So where's the excessive spending?
As to your last paragraph, what else do you suggest? Communication was lacking. So more emails and letters were provided. That was not acceptable. So Pilot Unity Building events were provided. But those were just a booze cruise, and a waste of money. Unacceptable. So now hotel visits are provided, where our pilots are free to talk or not talk as they please. And now that's not good enough. So what do you suggest? That DALPA ignore the pilots flying through AMS, CDG, NRT, etc? Or just not communicate with the pilot group at all?
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As to your last paragraph, what else do you suggest? Communication was lacking. So more emails and letters were provided. That was not acceptable. So Pilot Unity Building events were provided. But those were just a booze cruise, and a waste of money. Unacceptable. So now hotel visits are provided, where our pilots are free to talk or not talk as they please. And now that's not good enough. So what do you suggest? That DALPA ignore the pilots flying through AMS, CDG, NRT, etc? Or just not communicate with the pilot group at all?
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And what % of the group will you see there?
Pilot unity events are far less distasteful on the spending our due$ money scale.
12-03-2013, 12:37 PM
#102
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Here is one. Don't waste our due$ money sending special project folks, on FPL none the less, overseas on a paid trip to sit around the hotels/bars and approach pilots there.
And what % of the group will you see there?
Pilot unity events are far less distasteful on the spending our due$ money scale.
And what % of the group will you see there?
Pilot unity events are far less distasteful on the spending our due$ money scale.
What % of the pilot group will DALPA see in NRT, AMS, & CDG? A considerably large one. But I think you know that.
12-03-2013, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
There has been no hypocrisy on my part. I also have never cried foul over the "scourge" remark.
Stupid yes, but crying foul, no. Lee Moak, by sending the letter to DALPA and then them distributing it basically insulted half the pilot group further driving a wedge and alienating them.
Stupid yes, but crying foul, no. Lee Moak, by sending the letter to DALPA and then them distributing it basically insulted half the pilot group further driving a wedge and alienating them.
Also, do you know for certain that every DALPA member interpreted the "scourge" comment to be directed at the individuals, rather than the idea?
12-03-2013, 12:44 PM
#104
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Originally Posted by johnso29
If it's not about the benjamin$, then why is upgrade so important?
Yes I meant CA, but mistakenly typed FO.
Airways 320 crew $210 per hour
Delta 7ER CA $213 per hour.
Delta 767/330 CA $241 per hour
Delta 747/777 CA $255 per hour
Yes I meant CA, but mistakenly typed FO.
Airways 320 crew $210 per hour
Delta 7ER CA $213 per hour.
Delta 767/330 CA $241 per hour
Delta 747/777 CA $255 per hour
Apples to apples. A320 to a320
Not our wide-body to their narrow. Come on, really?
That is the best you can do.
Ok, here we go. Wide body to wide body.
USAirways 767 capt. $144
USAirways 767 f/o. $ 85
________
Total $ 229
Delta 767 capt. $212
12-03-2013, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Nice try Johnso.
Apples to apples. A320 to a320
Not our wide-body to their narrow. Come on, really?
That is the best you can do.
Ok, here we go. Wide body to wide body.
USAirways 767 capt. $144
USAirways 767 f/o. $ 85
________
Total $ 229
Delta 767 capt. $212
Apples to apples. A320 to a320
Not our wide-body to their narrow. Come on, really?
That is the best you can do.
Ok, here we go. Wide body to wide body.
USAirways 767 capt. $144
USAirways 767 f/o. $ 85
________
Total $ 229
Delta 767 capt. $212
Yes really. You're ok with a Delta B757/767 CA making $16 less per hour than a Airways B767 CREW?
And a Delta 7ER CA makes $213. Check your contract.
12-03-2013, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
BTW, what's DALPA supposed to say? Here guys. This TA is a POS, but it's the best we can get. Vote YES.:
That is when they give it to the pilots without an endorsement or vote by the MEC either way.
You know, kinda like Hawaiian did with their first crappy TA during 1113 that they put out for a vote without an endorsement. Trusted the pilots to decided without a sales job.
The one that was ultimately rejected prior to receiving their decent, as compared to our, 1113 TA.
12-03-2013, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
That is when they give it to the pilots without an endorsement or vote by the MEC either way.
You know, kinda like Hawaiian did with their first crappy TA during 1113 that they put out for a vote without an endorsement. Trusted the pilots to decided without a sales job.
The one that was ultimately rejected prior to receiving their decent, as compared to our, 1113 TA.
You know, kinda like Hawaiian did with their first crappy TA during 1113 that they put out for a vote without an endorsement. Trusted the pilots to decided without a sales job.
The one that was ultimately rejected prior to receiving their decent, as compared to our, 1113 TA.
12-03-2013, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Sure, it would appear to most that it took more balls to do that in 1113 than it would have to do so in plain old section 6
12-03-2013, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Yes really. You're ok with a Delta B757/767 CA making $16 less per hour than a Airways B767 CREW?
And a Delta 7ER CA makes $213. Check your contract.
And a Delta 7ER CA makes $213. Check your contract.
You got the bull $h!t flag for wildly wrong assertions, again.
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