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Quote: AOL prevented any movement on SLI by suing about a contingent contract. Their case lasted years and didn't have a legal premise aside from "implicit assumption." .... and now they think APA will wrap everything up in a jiffy?

And they think APA has their back?
Absolutely fictitious. USAPA inherited a seniority list that lacked a contract to trigger its implementation. USAPA has held the process hostage in a delay effort to obtain all growth and upgrades before the inevitable Nic occurred. AOL was founded to insure that the legal obligations of the East were met. From their creation until the AA/US merger announcement, USAPA and the East faithful were still touting the "unions are a democracy and the majority (not legal obligation) rule" line. Remarkable how quickly they've changed their tune.

So no, I'm not suggesting that APA will "have my back". But considering USAPA's idea of having my backing seems to require me to bend over and them to try to fondle my prostate, I'll take APA.
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Quote: You would expect that wouldn't you? It won't happen. Just like we were told an SCS would be declared in 8 weeks from filing ( like our fa's and gate agents) and it took 8 months. See Eagle, usapa has a friend at the NMB, no so much a friend but someone who despises the APA. Former TWA pilot and now NMB chairman Hoglander has interjected himself into the process basically demanding arbitration before allowing the SCS to be declared. Mind you, this is highly unethical and not within the charter if the NMB. What else is Mr. Hoglander up to? Oh yes, even though our case easily meets the scenario where the apa be declared bargaining agent at the end of the 30 days, Mr. Hoglander is behind the scenes as we speak demanding an election be held.
Perhaps, but dragging SCS out seems a bit easier then successfully demanding an election when 2/3 of the pilots involved already belong to APA and most of another 1500 or so would rather be represented by the Manson family.

How long did it take for SCS to be declared for pilots in the other two similar mergers ? I think it was a lot longer then 2 months and closer to this result. It would seem Mr. Hoglander would be only announcing his bias and manipulation within NMB to demand an election where none is clearly warranted. I think the NMB wouldn't want that scrutiny, criticism or heat from such a revealing act, yes ?

We know the NMB is........ahem, questionable in their decisions, but it would seem this would too obvious for those who prefer to scurry along the baseboards unnoticed.
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Quote: Absolutely fictitious. USAPA inherited a seniority list that lacked a contract to trigger its implementation. USAPA has held the process hostage in a delay effort to obtain all growth and upgrades before the inevitable Nic occurred. AOL was founded to insure that the legal obligations of the East were met. From their creation until the AA/US merger announcement, USAPA and the East faithful were still touting the "unions are a democracy and the majority (not legal obligation) rule" line. Remarkable how quickly they've changed their tune.

So no, I'm not suggesting that APA will "have my back". But considering USAPA's idea of having my backing seems to require me to bend over and them to try to fondle my prostate, I'll take APA.
Well, let's just say APA isn't likely to add to any of the knives inserted into your back by USAPA (formerly East ALPA). Personally, I don't think the arbitrators result will include a pure Nic insertion though.
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Quote: Absolutely fictitious. USAPA inherited a seniority list that lacked a contract to trigger its implementation. USAPA has held the process hostage in a delay effort to obtain all growth and upgrades before the inevitable Nic occurred. AOL was founded to insure that the legal obligations of the East were met. From their creation until the AA/US merger announcement, USAPA and the East faithful were still touting the "unions are a democracy and the majority (not legal obligation) rule" line. Remarkable how quickly they've changed their tune.

So no, I'm not suggesting that APA will "have my back". But considering USAPA's idea of having my backing seems to require me to bend over and them to try to fondle my prostate, I'll take APA.
Yeah but at least USAPA used a little lotion on their finger. APA is about to use a steak knife on your prostate
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Quote: Well, let's just say APA isn't likely to add to any of the knives inserted into your back by USAPA (formerly East ALPA). Personally, I don't think the arbitrators result will include a pure Nic insertion though.
I'm not starry eyed about a fast track Nic implementation. However, the USAPIAN idea of a complete redo that involves a NEW snapshot for a three-way and fails to account for the fact that East and West have BEEN USAir for the last 8 years is ludicrous. Even something"Nic-ish" being integrated with AA in MB fashion would be reasonable (to me, anyway). At least having independent arbiters, not bias individuals with self interests, determining the definition of "fair" gives me some comfort. Then again, that was Nic's role, wasn't it?
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Quote: No DFR worries by APA...
There is no DFR lawsuit nor any expectation for one.
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Quote: Perhaps, but dragging SCS out seems a bit easier then successfully demanding an election when 2/3 of the pilots involved already belong to APA and most of another 1500 or so would rather be represented by the Manson family.

How long did it take for SCS to be declared for pilots in the other two similar mergers ? I think it was a lot longer then 2 months and closer to this result. It would seem Mr. Hoglander would be only announcing his bias and manipulation within NMB to demand an election where none is clearly warranted. I think the NMB wouldn't want that scrutiny, criticism or heat from such a revealing act, yes ?

We know the NMB is........ahem, questionable in their decisions, but it would seem this would too obvious for those who prefer to scurry along the baseboards unnoticed.
It took 8 weeks for dal/nwa and cal/ual from date of filing.
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Quote: There is no DFR lawsuit nor any expectation for one.
As I stated.
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Quote: It took 8 weeks for dal/nwa and cal/ual from date of filing.
Ok, I'll take your word on that. I'd still be shocked if anyone could argue in this instance a rep vote should be taken. The numbers advocating for someone other then APA simply aren't there.
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So with the timeline set out in the MOU, JCBA should be done by end of year....
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