We're not gonna cave on scope. Trust me (us). Not only is the scope proposal a blatant land grab, so are MANY proposed revisions to our contract. Guys are up in arms over the whole damn proposal. It's DOA.

I'm smug, but it's not a happy smug.

I'm right there with Eaglefly on the initial impression that the offer seemed like it might be in the realm of fairness. Five hours in, when we got (as Paul Harvey liked to say, 'the REST of the story') I had to laugh. Eh, they had me going....for five hours.

The chance this turd gets squeezed out onto a contract near you is essentially zero.

Relax, fellas.

Explain: you mean DOA is Scope is dead on arrival or the CHANGING of scope is dead on arrival. I'm not sure what you're saying.

There it is. If you are an American pilot...finally someone who comes to the realization of the reality of the MOU. Remember, you voted for it.

The company has ALWAYS been..."you want something, give us something in return or we just go to arbitration where you get less....probably." The reason for Jerry Glass's return is in preparation for arbitration. First with the F/A's and next with us.

You can say holdout on scope until 2019 under the CBA but rest assured the company will be ready for us.

If some of you are considering job action, you better rethink you're future because the law (as it stands today, anyway) will not support you. The courts have ruled in both USAPA's, APA's and Delta's cases that you WILL BE FINED and held in contempt of court if you do.

The West pilots were more than willing to turn in ANY East pilot whom they thought were doing a job action and their former MEC Chairman even asked Parker on company video how they could report them for it.

You can't trust the pilots of APA (new or old) do do anything....why jeopardize YOUR job? That's the reality.

I have a feeling that allowing the pilots and fa's to go to arbitration and then walk away with less than we would have had, will very seriously effect the operation. And not in good way..

He's saying "NO" to scope...period.

sorry Route 66..I don't discuss details with management. My union speaks for me. Get working on a better proposal

Or we can keep rolling over on scope until all domestic flying is done by regional carriers. How do you suppose that'll effect our operation, and more specifically, our careers?

This pilot group collectively gave up pay and retirement for over a decade so that these airlines could live to see another day. They worked longer hours with fewer benefits. They invested their lives in this company. When things were bad, management said, "We are all in this together." When the merger was being threatened, the company came to the employees and said,"We are all in this together." So the employees lobbied to help push the merger through.
Now when times are good this company proposes to be the only airline except for Spirit to not give employees profit sharing. Does management really think that arbitration is the way to go?

But his point is that we've already given it to them with the cost neutral arbitration clause.

I really hope that you guys are right about Parker not wanting to go that route. If he doesn't then I think we can work something out. If he doesn't care then that is exactly where we will end up. It's how he's always done it.

The management team has realized that they can't run the new AA like they did the old US with respect to customer service, so maybe they will want to avoid ****ing off the pilots. But, they didn't with the F/As, and they are with the customers all the time.