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eaglefly , 11-30-2014 08:15 AM
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Why, what happened to you union hard core "stick it to them" rants? You are both suddenly sounding like you give up.

Come on.....tell the APA to stick it to the company, you anti-union slackers!
Nothing happened. That's because you're incapable of seeing past your own bias and are blinded by your own emotion. Well, in your case, it appears to be disease like a rabid dog whose foaming jowls block his eye-sight as he attempts to viciously bite everything in its path.

I've never said "Delta or bust". I've only said that given the choice of the initial proposal or arbitration, I'll take arbitration hands down. I've stated from the beginning (check back to about the 11/16 on this forum) that ultimately, I believe a negotiated agreement would occur that will make many who ARE "hard core" unhappy.

It's OK, I understand it's simply in your nature to not LISTEN and only SPEAK and that compromise from your own unalterable beliefs is not possible. Perhaps you're just drinking far too much tea ?
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...the initial proposal is simply undoable as they cannot both sell that now and maintain credibility...
Absolutely, and anyone who disagrees needs to pull their head out of their ass because the initial proposal is a NET LOSS.

Did I just agree with eagleflyboy, must be the jet lag.
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I'd call you a lot of things but pragmatic isn't one of them. These two sentences are about as clear as mud. Are you implying some sort of sarcasm? Is it that the East agreed to binding arbitration and then thought they could get something better? And if that's the case, what should the West have tried? Based on what you SEEM to be implying, you don't have to honor a deal if you think you can get something better. Is that it? Why would any group agree to ANY arrangement with pre AWA/US merger East pilots? (I'm not finger pointing at that third list guys, they've been held hostage by both pilot groups AND management throughout this entire debacle)



Listening to USAPA loving East pilots complain about the West is much like listening to a guy explain how his wife is to blame for the beatings he gives her. You're blaming the West for the injunction? USAPA started an illegal job action without even attempting to get the West pilot's support. Remember the "Good Union Pilot" lanyards the East made to show solidarity against management? Not one West pilot was ever given one of those. Some guys asked and were told they couldn't have one. Some "Union".

Also, make sure you tell your new APA friends about the baseless legal filings USAPA made against the Cactus 19 and..what was it, "100 unnamed defendants"..in the event anyone else spoke out against them. Some of our guys paid big bucks out of pocket to defend against that garbage. And before you start making the "Yeah, but" excuses about how big bad West pilots were hurting USAPA's feelings, remember that case got thrown out TWICE, and the second time with prejudice. It was nothing more than an intimidation tactic undertaken by a representational union against it's members. Keep that in mind next time you complain about APA not pandering to you.

Do we still have West pilots?
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Poser. Did you join APA yet?
His anti-union agenda supersedes all other rational thought. There is one and ONLY one string in his back (to which he pulls himself) and that's its robotic (and psychotic) message.

Oh.......and we are all Communists too.
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Absolutely, and anyone who disagrees needs to pull their head out of their ass because the initial proposal is a NET LOSS.

Did I just agree with eagleflyboy, must be the jet lag.
A shot or two of tequila and some fresh air and you'll be fine.

We ALL make mistakes.
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I'd call you a lot of things but pragmatic isn't one of them. These two sentences are about as clear as mud. Are you implying some sort of sarcasm? Is it that the East agreed to binding arbitration and then thought they could get something better? And if that's the case, what should the West have tried? Based on what you SEEM to be implying, you don't have to honor a deal if you think you can get something better. Is that it? Why would any group agree to ANY arrangement with pre AWA/US merger East pilots? (I'm not finger pointing at that third list guys, they've been held hostage by both pilot groups AND management throughout this entire debacle)



Listening to USAPA loving East pilots complain about the West is much like listening to a guy explain how his wife is to blame for the beatings he gives her. You're blaming the West for the injunction? USAPA started an illegal job action without even attempting to get the West pilot's support. Remember the "Good Union Pilot" lanyards the East made to show solidarity against management? Not one West pilot was ever given one of those. Some guys asked and were told they couldn't have one. Some "Union".

Also, make sure you tell your new APA friends about the baseless legal filings USAPA made against the Cactus 19 and..what was it, "100 unnamed defendants"..in the event anyone else spoke out against them. Some of our guys paid big bucks out of pocket to defend against that garbage. And before you start making the "Yeah, but" excuses about how big bad West pilots were hurting USAPA's feelings, remember that case got thrown out TWICE, and the second time with prejudice. It was nothing more than an intimidation tactic undertaken by a representational union against it's members. Keep that in mind next time you complain about APA not pandering to you.
Why do you even waste your time responding to his foolishness? This is guy complains about usapa yet they are ONLY reason he is sitting in a captain seat out of seniority order and EVERYONE knows it. He then complains about the west because he knows that once that arbitration result is honored he spends the rest of his career on res. Nothing he says is even worth the time of day. Hypocrite to end and this why many here refuse to even respond to him.

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Why do you even waste your time responding to his foolishness? This is guy complains about usapa yet they are ONLY reason he is sitting in a captain seat out of seniority order and EVERYONE knows it. He then complains about the west because he knows that once that arbitration result is honored he spends the rest of his career on res. Nothing he says is even worth the time of day. Hypocrite to end and this why many here refuse to even respond to him.

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I see words on the screen but every post you make sounds like, "blah, blah, blah." Are you feeling disenfranchised by the larger group? Are you upset APA seems more concerned with the needs of Legacy AA pilots and aren't real concerned about Legacy US? Awwwwww.... (That's the sound of me not feeling particularly sorry for you and you brothers)

Dude, learn how to multi-quote so we know all the people you are talking about. Some of us fly 4 days and don't log in on overnights.
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Dude, learn how to multi-quote so we know all the people you are talking about. Some of us fly 4 days and don't log in on overnights.
Too much work, however I can assure you that he knew what I was talking about.

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Do we still have West pilots?
Good point. What's the politically correct term now? Is it "PHX based LUS pilots"?

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Dude, learn how to multi-quote so we know all the people you are talking about. Some of us fly 4 days and don't log in on overnights.
What's the upside of the company iPad if you can't use it it log into the poop-flinging grudge match?
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What's the upside of the company iPad if you can't use it it log into the poop-flinging grudge match?
Too busy drinking Smithwicks and Guinness :-)
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