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use2fly , 07-29-2015 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

I think AA is an awful airline with a horrible corporate culture. If friends and family ask for my opinion I always advise them to buy a ticket on other airlines (JetBlue, Spirit, a foreign airline, etc.) because I know that they will enjoy their travel experience much more that way.

However, they also pay quite a bit more then other jobs out there. So as for me, as much as I despise the manner in which AAG is run, I'm sticking around. Money talks.

Guess I deleted while you quoted. I know the answer, just tired of hearing people complain about how much AA sucks while at the same time complaining about how bad they got screwed because they have to wait another month to get there. And yes, I do believe they got screwed.

#242

Smutter , 07-29-2015 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

You really don't refer people to spirit do you. As a passenger spirit is hands down the worse exp.

#243

Waitingformins , 07-29-2015 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Smutter

You really don't refer people to spirit do you. As a passenger spirit is hands down the worse exp.

I've never flown them, but I talked to a Delta coin member who flew a 2 leg across every time zone to avoid a direct flight on Spirit. I'm convinced Spirit actually helps Deltas bottom line because all the business flyers can now pay more to avoid that experience.

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sublime259 , 07-29-2015 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Smutter

You really don't refer people to spirit do you. As a passenger spirit is hands down the worse exp.

No, I don't. I made a mistake.

#245

maveric311 , 07-30-2015 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyvector

Have you applied to United and Delta? How has that worked out for you so far? You claim Jr CAs are moving to better places....where? Spirit? JetBlue? That may be better than the Regionals...but it's not mainline. And even then, it's difficult to get on with those airlines.

There are 10,000+ pilots applying to the 3 majors left in the United States. Many of those 10,000+ are already working for an LCC, have more PIC time than most Regional pilots have Total Time...and an Airbus type rating to boot.

You think that you and every other wide eyed Regional pilot will some how magically skip ahead of all of them? How? Because you "really, really want the job!"?

We can be cynical about the flow until we turn blue in the face. And that is fine. Flow was never a tool of any kind in the past. The old AA back in the 90s and early 2000s didn't care about flow nor did they want it. They used it as a way to protect their pilots from furlough (letter 3) and it was never intended to actually flow any significant amount of pilots from Eagle.

That was then. This is now. To quote the infamous Scott Kirby: The world has changed. AA still prefers military pilots but they don't have an aversion to Regional pilots the way they did back in the 90s. The new AA (ex-US Airways) understands what a flow can mean for them going forward. And they have gone "all in" so to speak with Envoy and to a lesser extend Piedmont. Only because Piedmont is smaller.

You guys who keep dismissing the flow based on how it worked or didn't work 20 years ago are committing a huge fallacy. The worse thing a professional can do in any industry is be stuck in the past and not adapt to the changing environment around them.

Case and point: Still thinking that the majors will come barrel rolling through your bedroom wall when you hit the magical "1,000 hours of PIC time!".... it doesn't work that way. It never has and even less so today. Living with that in your head will only mean you are at the back of the line as your peers flow up to mainline with no interview.

Take it or leave it. People can listen to trolls like eaglefly who have ulterior motives or they can be smart about what Regional they choose to fly for. Choosing any Regional because of quickie upgrade times is a very bad move. Going to work for Mesa or Republic is a very bad move.

Just the mandatory retirements alone are going to drive the hiring. That doesn't even include the guys that will punch out early. Since 2013 envoy has sent 67% of all new hires to AA. What pile do you want to be in? The guaranteed flow? Or the 10,000 other guys with the same quals? Coming to envoy right now would be a good move for prospective new hires. It might take some time in the beginning. However, envoy beats working for outfits that are less safe and could wind up getting you violated on your quest for the magical 1,000 hours of TPIC.

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AdiosMikeFox , 07-30-2015 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear

Latest seniority to go to AA in the July class was hired at Eagle in March '99. By the end of year 2015 we are scheduled to be at September '99 hires flowing. End of 2016 projected to be at March '04 seniority.

Odd. Some opinions are that they'll flow less than 200 next year.

200 won't make it though the '00 hires.

#247

eaglefly , 07-30-2015 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox

Odd. Some opinions are that they'll flow less than 200 next year.

200 won't make it though the '00 hires.

The number I heard was less then that. Can't remember the spcific number or if it was JW or that other management guy who said that, but I believe it was 15/month or about 180. I see the Envoy sales dept. is back up and running again.

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Buzzlightyear , 07-30-2015 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox

Odd. Some opinions are that they'll flow less than 200 next year.

200 won't make it though the '00 hires.

If they flow less than 200 next year all CA's move up to the next pay step.

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Cujo665 , 07-31-2015 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear

If they flow less than 200 next year all CA's move up to the next pay step.

220 is the number. If they don't flow 220, then no pay caps that year. Unlike the March TA, under the Dec TA if the flow doesn't work by sending at least 220 each year, we still have our old pay steps.
This "snap back" type of step up only applies to those in property at DOS. So it's not perfect.

#250

Shiner , 07-31-2015 03:44 AM

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I'm hearing the hiring numbers are up. Is it true there is a class of 20 next month?

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