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Old 09-19-2015, 04:06 AM
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Let's just assume RAH is able to get out of the Delta 145 flying. If they were to do that, would you realistically be able to staff the current AAG aircraft plus the current UAL aircraft and options?
No. There is simply not enough pilots to staff RAH in the long run. RAH's path is to shrink and probably just go out of existence. It's a mathematical certainty, there simply is not enough pilots to fill the vacuum created by major airline pilot retirements over the next few years.

RAH's situation is not unique, ultimately all regionals will face this problem, but RAH is not wholly owned so there is no parent airline backing. RAH has to turn a profit for shareholders where wholly owned are simply cost centers.

There is simply no good options for RAH long term. But this is not a bad thing for pilots ultimately, it sucks if you are living in the middle of it but when you look at the greater good, its what needs to happen.
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Old 09-19-2015, 04:20 AM
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Let's just assume RAH is able to get out of the Delta 145 flying. If they were to do that, would you realistically be able to staff the current AAG aircraft plus the current UAL aircraft and options?

That has been the plan all along. If the 145's were gone as well as the q's, the 170 operations on both certificates would be staffed through the better part of 2016. If there is any kind of restructuring occurring, it will be to get out of the 145 contracts.


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Old 09-19-2015, 04:24 AM
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No. There is simply not enough pilots to staff RAH in the long run. RAH's path is to shrink and probably just go out of existence. It's a mathematical certainty, there simply is not enough pilots to fill the vacuum created by major airline pilot retirements over the next few years.

RAH's situation is not unique, ultimately all regionals will face this problem, but RAH is not wholly owned so there is no parent airline backing. RAH has to turn a profit for shareholders where wholly owned are simply cost centers.

There is simply no good options for RAH long term. But this is not a bad thing for pilots ultimately, it sucks if you are living in the middle of it but when you look at the greater good, its what needs to happen.

Jesus, again with this! Once again, you are clueless to this operation and what is happening here. Just keep saying the same thing over and over, it doesn't make it true. The oracle of PSA should start looking at the long term viability of his (her)? own company instead of predicting the downfall of others.


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Old 09-19-2015, 04:34 AM
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Jesus, again with this! Once again, you are clueless to this operation and what is happening here. Just keep saying the same thing over and over, it doesn't make it true. The oracle of PSA should start looking at the long term viability of his (her)? own company instead of predicting the downfall of others.


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I know it stings, I do. But try and look at this objectively. Alternatively, maybe you will lay out the path for us? What are we missing, what's the game plan?
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Old 09-19-2015, 05:54 AM
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FirstClass is smarter then everyone, just ask him (while you're at it, ask what experience he has that qualifies him to make such certain predictions.) Everything he says comes out as if it is fact. I have no problem with someone giving an opinion on something, but he enjoys making sh!t up and then making it sound like it's a certainty.
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Old 09-19-2015, 06:55 AM
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So is it correct that commuting Envoy pilots get 4 free hotel rooms/ month? I would say that IS a recruiting tool and an effective raise of at least 1500/ yr.

You get a hotel in base ANYTIME you overnight in base when you were scheduled for a hotel elsewhere.

You get a hotel before or after any trip that is not commutable

You get a hotel before or after any critical coverage open time that is not commutable

You get a hotel before or after your block of reserve days

You get the other 4 hotels as needed.

I don't know too many guys with crashpads anymore. it's a $1,500-$2,500 raise per year in money saved... and much more dignified than living like a college kid in an illegal unlicensed rooming house.
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Old 09-19-2015, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
You get a hotel in base ANYTIME you overnight in base when you were scheduled for a hotel elsewhere.

You get a hotel before or after any trip that is not commutable

You get a hotel before or after any critical coverage open time that is not commutable

You get a hotel before or after your block of reserve days

and.... you get the 4 hotels as needed

I don't know too many guys with crashpads anymore. it's a $1,500-$2,500 raise in money saved... and much more dignified than living like a college kid in an illegal unlicensed rooming house.
I can attest. It is a huge QOL improvement and saving me hundreds of dollars a month being on reserve.

In addition, a good number of the hotels they put us in have free breakfast and decent food discounts, and the Atrium in Dallas gets you a free beverage of choice.

Compare that to my craptastic crashpad that cost $250/month. Had to pay for and rely on public transportation to/from the airport. Supply my own soap/shampoo/towels/bedding/pillows and launder it myself. Not to mention sharing everything with about 20 dudes in a 1300 square foot space. Had to clean most everything ourselves. Share a mold ridden bathroom slathered with the pubes of past generations of pilots who never clean up after themselves. Sleep on a bunk bed in room with 5 other guys, all on different sleep schedules. Sleep with ear plugs because 3 of those other 5 guys snoring can wake the demons from the underworld. Store your food in a refrigerator with everyone else who never throws out their expired milk, cheese, rotting vegetables and who knows what else. Sweat out the toxins while you sleep because the owner of the crashpad locks the thermostat on the Central American rainforest setting.

You can't put a number value on everything...

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Old 09-19-2015, 07:02 AM
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That has been the plan all along. If the 145's were gone as well as the q's, the 170 operations on both certificates would be staffed through the better part of 2016. If there is any kind of restructuring occurring, it will be to get out of the 145 contracts.


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In this scenario the options are off the table though, correct?

I've been told there are aircraft in Eagle colors parked around the system due to staffing. Is this true?
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I can attest. It is a huge QOL improvement and saving me hundreds of dollars a month being on reserve.

In addition, a good number of the hotels they put us in have free breakfast and decent food discounts, and the Atrium in Dallas gets you a free beverage of choice.

Compare that to my craptastic crashpad that cost $250/month. Had to pay for and rely on public transportation to/from the airport. Supply my own soap/shampoo/towels/bedding/pillows and launder it myself. Not to mention sharing everything with about 20 dudes in a 1300 square foot space. Had to clean most everything ourselves. Share a mold ridden bathroom slathered with the pubes of past generations of pilots who never clean up after themselves. Sleep on a bunk bed in room with 5 other guys, all on different sleep schedules. Sleep with ear plugs because 3 of those other 5 guys snoring can wake the demons from the underworld. Store your food in a refrigerator with everyone else who never throws out their expired milk, cheese, rotting vegetables and who knows what else. Sweat out the toxins while you sleep because the owner of the crashpad locks the thermostat on the Central American rainforest setting.

You can't put a number value on everything...
You had me at slathered pubes and underworld demons
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Originally Posted by Crawl View Post
I can attest. It is a huge QOL improvement and saving me hundreds of dollars a month being on reserve.

In addition, a good number of the hotels they put us in have free breakfast and decent food discounts, and the Atrium in Dallas gets you a free beverage of choice.

Compare that to my craptastic crashpad that cost $250/month. Had to pay for and rely on public transportation to/from the airport. Supply my own soap/shampoo/towels/bedding/pillows and launder it myself. Not to mention sharing everything with about 20 dudes in a 1300 square foot space. Had to clean most everything ourselves. Share a mold ridden bathroom slathered with the pubes of past generations of pilots who never clean up after themselves. Sleep on a bunk bed in room with 5 other guys, all on different sleep schedules. Sleep with ear plugs because 3 of those other 5 guys snoring can wake the demons from the underworld. Store your food in a refrigerator with everyone else who never throws out their expired milk, cheese, rotting vegetables and who knows what else. Sweat out the toxins while you sleep because the owner of the crashpad locks the thermostat on the Central American rainforest setting.

You can't put a number value on everything...

This is hilariously accurate. I didn't realize how much my QOL has improved until I read that. Reserve has been long for me, but now that I've got some seniority, it's not terrible. I never have a problem getting a late start on day 1 and can usually work my way into finishing early on my last day. The last couple months, I've had a few days where I knew I wouldn't be called and got paid to stay at home. I'm guessing most of this is because we are fat on pilots, but the last few months have been much better on reserve.


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