And 727 block over 8 with three legs.

DC-10 & B-727 have 3-person crews. What's your point? Different rules apply.

Next up, stories about walking 10 miles to school, on the snow, barefoot, uphill, both ways, and liking it.






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Technically, 2-person Crew plus 1 additional pilot.






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You mean like an RFO? Or is that not a 3 man crew?

14.11 CFR

Crewmember. A person assigned to perform duty in an aircraft during flight time.

757/767 PHB does define the crew as a minimum of 2, no max.

Totally unsat. How am I supposed to get "rest" with people stepping all over me to use the john! Stiil a NO for me... My .02

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It's crazy. My friends and I have been warning that a lot of this stuff was coming. Nobody listened or even cared.

Why did we allow the 767 to come on board with the crappy cockpit setup and lack of sleeping provisions in the first place?

Why did we even allow crews to sleep on the floor in the MD11?

It's weird. In some instances, we get industry leading stuff and in other areas we're cavemen.

They're buying more 757s and the 757 is going to do more widebody flying. Hence, there's going to be less widebody positions going forward.

Have you ever even stepped foot on a 767? Doesn't sound like it! For one, on the MD, you are at least in a darkened area on the other side of the cockpit door. On the 76, you're up front, lights on, overhead speaker on, no futon, and no ability to at least get horizontal...

Actually there's room by the door to lay down, if you've got a futon or a camping pad. There's plenty of heat back there too. It's not any worse than the MD.... I've slept on both.....

I actually agree it sucks. The Campinas trip is going to have Jumpseaters and Couriers on it. It will be miserable. The point is what could we possible hope to accomplish with a contract? UPS has been doing this with the same configuration for 20 years. We got them to agree to more time off for augmented trips, if they want to fix it they have to fix the rest problem. Until then it is legal with the Feds and it is legal with the contract, whether this TA passes or not. Thinking we can tell the company which airplane to buy is nuts. Moving the head means they lose forward belly space due to plumbing. Why don't we demand no more night flying while we are it?

No, Leo, an RFO does not make it a 3-person Crew. If the airplane can fly with a 2-person Crew, an RFO is an extra crew member.

There are different rules. They are publicly available for you to read.






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