TonyC

That will be up to the PIC, won't it?






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busdriver12

I am confused at why someone would refer to a poster with a name other than what they have chosen. This is an anonymous forum, though some have chosen to use their names, others have not. It should be, however, the posters choice, should it not?

Adlerdriver

Yes, I have been on our 767. My reply you quoted was a response to someone asking if it could be done under our current contract. That answer is a simple "yes" for the reasons and examples I stated.

I didn't say I thought it was a good idea or even practical. It is, unfortunately, legal according to both the contract and FAR. There is also A LOT of precedent thanks to our buds at UPS and even pax airlines. Some pax operations used to give their pilots a non lay flat seat in first class, others a row of seats in coach. One of the charter operators I'm familiar with just expected the pilots to lay on the floor in the cockpit of an A320.

The MD-11 futon set-up might be marginally better than what you would have on the 767, but only slightly. You still have guys coming/going, hitting the head, making meals, etc. Temperature control was a roll of the dice and if you had jumpseaters or couriers, forget it. So, over the last 8 years, the amount of good sleep I got on that thing could probably be measured in minutes.

Short of negotiating something specific in the contract (once we vote down this TA which has nothing in that area ), I think anyone on the 767 should expect a futon, pillows and blankets. That's past practice. If there isn't, then you call flight coordination, ops or whoever and hold the flight until they show up. You put the futon back by the door, cuddle up with some earplugs and eye cover and do your best to sleep like everyone else not on the 777. Getting anything more than that would simply be based on good will from the company via an appeal citing safety from ALPA. As a minimum, maybe they'll retrofit a curtain that can close off the little hallway from the light of the flight deck.

Huck

This is all just fear of the unknown! Why don't you man up, grow a pair, and refuse to fly the 767 until it has bunks! Fear is not a good enough reason to vote to fly this steaming turd of an airplane!

(couldn't resist)

Adlerdriver

Also, maybe crews real concerned about everyone's rest may choose to go with headsets (no speakers), dark cockpit, hit the head before each break and lay in front of the jumpseats. Just a thought.

FDXLAG

Yes there are and for the most part they are semantic. I have read them. Essentially the rules are the same for a three man crew and a crew of three men.

FDXLAG

Of course just like on the triple.

FDXLAG

It is Tony's passive aggressiveness. Don't let it bother you.

Days Off

Agree totally.

ANCFRTDOG

Here is the bigger issue. NO oven so all the hot meals we order are COLD. No coffe pot so HOW many thermos jugs are going to order? No way to make hot water. The actually took the oven out of the airplane because it only going to be a domestic airplane?????
In SGN their solution was instant coffee.....Brilliant-NOT.