If I'm correct that UPS negotiated about four years past the amenable date for that contract, 60K would be $15K/yr, similar to ours for wide body captains. Though I don't know how their bonuses were divided up between capt/fo's. For our $16K/yr for 2.5 years, that ends up being a little more than a 5% annual raise for my salary level over those years. Not so great for the guys who make 400K+, but not anything that I'll complain about. I have other complaints.

The 1998 Contract went from Mar 98 till 31 Dec 2003. The 2006 contract was ratified 31 June 2006 and went till 31 Dec 2011. They started negotiating in good faith in June 2011. We did get a cost of living raise in 2012 and nothing since.

So to answer your question, we haven't gotten a real raise since June of 06.

Well, we are all rooting for you to get a huge one, and soon. How long can it really take?

I hope that settling our contract does help you guys, though it certainly wasn't all we wanted. Hoping that pressure on UPS, now that FedEx is bragging about how they don't have to negotiate anymore, will help you guys settle before peak. Or maybe they're too far apart for that to be helpful.

Didn't you get yearly increases to your pay rates from '06 through '11? You don't consider those a form of a raise? Just curious.

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What? You were all thinking it, I'm just immature enough to post it.

It makes perfect sense if you're rooting in Australia.

I'm so confused....however, a state of confusion is the norm around here. But if it's something in bad taste, I'm all for it.

We got a initial raise and then a 2% increase for every year from 07 to 12, no I don't consider those raises, rather a cost of living increase. So in my opinion the last raise we got was in 06 when the contract was ratified.

I think the 07-12 raises were 3% a year and then 4% the last year.

Sideshow, your dripping sarcasm is without equal, and I'm sure, on a layover, at a nice bar, it would be great to get into a serious discourse with you..
Fedex/ALPA pilots have now twice ratified contracts before and within the time frame that UPS/IPA pilots could have delivered a (better??) contract before we (Fedex pilots) set the bar..........

You didn't

So while the details of what your union will present to you, the pilots of UPS can only be surmised. I predict, based on past events, that with a high probability, two things will happen

1. Your negotiated pay rates will be slightly higher than ours

2. Your leadership will blame Fedex/ALPA for having set the bar too low, and your (unions) hands were tied by our (Fedex) crappy deal.

With the superior leadership and unity at UPS/IPA, how is it that twice over the course of two contracts, we, the weaker pilot group and union, have been put into the position of "setting the bar" for cargo pilots ?? This has been a grand failure of both our pilots groups and no doubt, left lots of money and benefits on the table, to the benefit of our respective employers. Ask your leadership how that happened, than go out and get that contract that will make us eat humble pie. I won't hold my breath waiting.