No, my official answer(sorry it's copy-paste and not entirely delicate):

Bluedriver's Avatar Bluedriver , 01-01-2018 10:39 AM

So Payne wants a timeline. Well Payne, the company controls the timeline, and they will not settle a contract that costs them hundreds of millions of dollars and restricts their operations with peer standard work rules until conditions on the ground change or they see a business need to do so.

Right now they get almost everything they want from us pilots at Walmart prices. It doesn't matter that we are awash in cash and have at or near industry leading margins. It doesn't matter that closing this contract is the right or moral thing to do. They will not do it until they are no longer getting almost everything they want from us at the current rates. Or the Union campaign creates a business need to finish it or Wall Street sees a reason.

None of those things are even close to happening right now. There has always been plenty of information available to know that Summer 2017, or Fall 2017, or "surely done by year end 2017" was NEVER going to happen. But that doesn't mean there is enough information to predict when it will get finished and I'm not dumb enough to try.

Our management has been less blatant and more calculating than Spirit or Frontier, but I believe you will see us trending that direction. Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong, I'm fully expecting it from you and the other usual suspects.

After all this negotiating in "good faith" that you guys keep telling me about, the company isn't even offering us pay rates "close" to Alaska. And Alaska rates are a non-starter NO to our union and our pilots (maybe not you).

So I suggest you take a second look at how things are going at Spirit and Frontier. As I said, our management will be more calculating and less blatant, but beyond that start understanding there are going to be more similarities than you thought.

Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm just being negative. Tell me I'm not reading the Union emails or talking to my union reps.

I've heard it all before, yet the contract isn't even CLOSE to being done.

No I missed that when I took some time off BP and APC.

It’s a good answer and you can’t be wrong. When the company is ready or they feel outside pressure. Very helpful I was looking for a year. I think you knew that but reading your post you can’t make that type of guess.

I do wonder bluedriver do you talk to people the same way you type to them? I would hop not.

This post does lots of good

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It helps his ego. That’s the point. It’s BD against everyone apparently. We’re all just waiting for him to tell us how the world works. That’s why we read this website.

That post was over a month old. I was was much less delicate back then, sorry.

Only say what I'm reasonably confident in. I had plenty of info to say "no, it will not be done year end 2017". I don't have enough to say if it will be 2018-2019-2020-2021-2022, etc... I'm going to need to see conditions change before I can narrow it down more.

I wish I did!

I'm not so bad in real life, humor is my normal default. Unless I don't like you, then the default is Fly-fi or something else out of my flight-bag...

I'm gonna try not to be so meany meany again. You'll just need to remind me again in a few months (maybe days).

It's much easier to respect the opinion of others when they actually respect yours. That goes for all of us.

Ha, works both ways amigo.

That’s true and we all have differing opinions and that is fine. However many of us listen to other opinions and don’t immediately shoot them down and resort to name calling. But as I said before I’m gonna move on from this. (I think I mean it this time). We’re all on the same side and we all want the same thing for the most part. Unity will be the key to our success here. And I think when it comes down to it we will all be there for each other.

We will. For the record, I never felt like people were respecting my opinion.

Name calling isn't so bad, it can get you elected president of the United States.

Lol name calling didn’t get him elected. Hillary did. And SCOTUS, America first, etc.

Mainly Hillary haha