Ah don't worry...some recruiting departments flat out lie to applicants.

The level of ethics involved in airline recruiting, specifically bottom tier regional airline, is absolutely disgusting.


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Ultimately wages are going to have a lot more to do with the free market than with unions. Unions can and have agreed to wage cuts when market conditions favored them, because ultimately whatever business we're talking about is constrained by market forces. But, these are not those times.

Now, if we had a union structure that had absolute control of pilot supply that would be a different discussion, but that's not what we have.

So you're saying that regionals cannot afford to pay inexperienced pilots more?

ALPA is very well aware of the scam of having regional pilots subsidize wages & benefits at the legacies.

Do you think it's a coincidence ALPA signed off on all these concessionary contracts while simultaneously seeing huge gains in legacy compensation during the same timeframe.

Its the tacit, unspoken thing everyone "knows" but never talks about: the overall negotiating strategy at National is:

1) Lock in cheap wages at regionals to save money on feed

2) Go get the money they just saved mgmt by signing off on all the crappy TAs at their regional sweatshops

3) Mainline gets more, we get less

It's a perverse Dickensian cycle that ALPA National has coordinated over the last decade or two

Here comes Age-70!

Age 70 is coming weather we want it or not

So damn accurate....1000% true. We have a major problem here. The job progression to legacy carriers is interesting...it's the only profession that I know where your experience means d!ck! That's a major effing problem. Job experience is crucial. ALPA failed regional pilots a long time ago. Honestly wouldn't it be beneficial to represent ALL pilots ALPA? Zero Unity👎

Good try but all misses. But, your point is noted as to people taking jobs at these rates. But the problem in front of us is that there are not enough people doing that and there is a reason. I think you missed my point though, which is there are plenty of pilots who won't work for these low wages. Yes, some will and the more you pay the more there will be. Wages should double or triple because that is what the market demands. These CEOs are trying to distort the market by claiming there is a shortage and asking the government to remove the current standards. The current market rate for an FO, such that supply = demand would be 75 to 80k. That would push CA pay to 115 to 125. That is about what it was for similar planes in 1982. Compare the rates for a DC9-10 for NW or Continental back then. That is not even adjusting for inflation.

Remember, friends don't let friends fly for Hulas Kanolia (TSA Gojet, Compass).

Another great response! 👍👍
Management is trying to operate the regionals the same damn way it was 10 years ago. Ain't gonna happen.

What an absolute TOOL BAG of a CEO. Move to AA in "a decade", LOL.

Big picture guys, today regionals do 51% of all domestic flying. 3-5 years from now that'll probably decrease to 25%. Everyone will have a shot at the majors out of the street, except PSA pilots who will have to wait 10 years.

These CEOs are the most close minded evil maniacs ever. The "broad picture" is that PSA still pays $20s an hour when everyone else caught up with a 40% first year raise.

Imma grab my popcorn and watch this thing implode.