If it makes you guys feel any better, ASA side of XJT has voluntary CA displacements lol. Also, we are upgrading 8/month but delaying training up to 75 days after the 60 day effective date.....so almost 6 months from award...but on the plus side, you get CA pay after the 60 days..so 2.5 months of Senior FO w/CA pay. (which will be year 9-10 pay haha), and 150% open time pickup, vacation buyback and pickup over "removed for OE" trips (paid protected)...It's possible to make 130-160 credit hours @ ~$80/hour.... $$10k-12k/month$$

If I happen to see this particular thread title drifting lower on the first page I may occasionally bump the thread just to be sure that all potential newbs see how our airline treats its own.

Another dick move from a wholly owned management team. Sorry to hear this for those FOs. Hopefully somewhere down the line you guys are rewarded for being treated this way. Best of luck to you all.

At least you guys are upgrading more than 4 people every 2-3 months...

Interesting that the company spin doctors have run for the hills with all the recent bad envoy news. Heat in the kitchen!

Well, don't count them out just yet. Probably experimenting with new recipes before they unveil a delicious new board of fare in the hope of attracting a new wave of diners.

Interesting how the envoy hate club comes out of the woodwork over 12 (That is one tenth of one percent of all envoy pilots) FOs that will continue to get the FO Retention Bonuses which puts them pretty close to RSV CA pay anyway, while getting to enjoy senior bidding and will get a HUGE payout after they finish upgrade training. They do miss out on 121 PIC but that is meaningless in the current HR hiring culture. I would take that deal in a heart beat!

Don't get me wrong. I think management are stupid for withholding the guys, but the wheels are far from falling off. Perhaps you can crawl back under your rock until things actually do get bad.

The long awaited new recipe ?

I dunno, in reading EL and talking to some pilots there face-to-face, I have concluded things ARE bad. Your version of "bad" must be complete chaos. IMO, barring a successful hail mary, I think you might have to concede this point within 12 months.

Uuuhhhhhmmm?

$2500 every 3 months doesn't get you close to CA RSV pay.