Skywest policy on FAR 117 extensions
05-22-2017, 07:10 AM
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At XJT they will ask if you're willing to extend. We got an email the other day asking why our extension refusal rates are so high, 50+% refusals. If you are not extending you just tell them no and that's the end of that (non-jeopardy). If you want to get paid for the flight then you have to fill out a non-concurrence form, which requests some info about your sleep patterns. But the fatigue process and calling in fatigued is completely separate from extensions here.
05-22-2017, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by worstpilotever
Sorry, you need a stronger mec on this. (Well, not Skywest, they are too good for a union). United has to ask if we will extend and if we do not there is no harm no foul. Don't even have to fill out a fatigue report anymore.
Please see my link below to the FAA's ridiculous interpretation of 117 FDP extension. There is nothing a union can do.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
05-22-2017, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
At XJT they will ask if you're willing to extend. We got an email the other day asking why our extension refusal rates are so high, 50+% refusals. If you are not extending you just tell them no and that's the end of that (non-jeopardy). If you want to get paid for the flight then you have to fill out a non-concurrence form, which requests some info about your sleep patterns. But the fatigue process and calling in fatigued is completely separate from extensions here.
05-22-2017, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
You are coming across as ignorant, at the very least uninformed. The company is not required to ask to extend you 30 minutes. After 30 up to 2 hours they are required to ask however, simply stating "because it's past my 117 limitations" is not an acceptable answer as to why you are refusing, per the FAA.
Please see my link below to the FAA's ridiculous interpretation of 117 FDP extension. There is nothing a union can do.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
Please see my link below to the FAA's ridiculous interpretation of 117 FDP extension. There is nothing a union can do.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
05-27-2017, 02:21 PM
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Skywest policy on FAR 117 extensions
Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
You are coming across as ignorant, at the very least uninformed. The company is not required to ask to extend you 30 minutes. After 30 up to 2 hours they are required to ask however, simply stating "because it's past my 117 limitations" is not an acceptable answer as to why you are refusing, per the FAA.
Please see my link below to the FAA's ridiculous interpretation of 117 FDP extension. There is nothing a union can do.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
Please see my link below to the FAA's ridiculous interpretation of 117 FDP extension. There is nothing a union can do.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
Who says a union cannot do anything about FARs? Many contracts have provisions that are more restrictive than FARs. That's nothing new. In fact, working to FAR is the exception at most places.
Anyway, extension or not, it's moot. If you are fatigued, refuse the extension.
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05-27-2017, 02:43 PM
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Perhaps this is why DTW is about to become our largest domicile and a ATL domicile may open soon flying ASA 200s.
Probably a very minor reason but you get the point. I don't think SkyWest has very many fatigue calls either.
Frankly SkyWest's interpretation of the extension policy is BS. Why even have it at all.
Probably a very minor reason but you get the point. I don't think SkyWest has very many fatigue calls either.
Frankly SkyWest's interpretation of the extension policy is BS. Why even have it at all.
05-27-2017, 04:57 PM
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extension policy is BS. Why even have it at all.
Just call fatigued if your not feeling safe, you might get paid you might not. The Feds see this as a company/Union issue and are not getting involved in repercussions of refusing an extension.
05-27-2017, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah
Perhaps this is why DTW is about to become our largest domicile and a ATL domicile may open soon flying ASA 200s.
Probably a very minor reason but you get the point. I don't think SkyWest has very many fatigue calls either.
Frankly SkyWest's interpretation of the extension policy is BS. Why even have it at all.
Probably a very minor reason but you get the point. I don't think SkyWest has very many fatigue calls either.
Frankly SkyWest's interpretation of the extension policy is BS. Why even have it at all.
It's about costs, not fatigue policies. They can change the policy overnight if they wanted to.
05-31-2017, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
Unfortunately, it's pretty standard around the regionals. At Envoy, it's the same deal. You don't wanna extend, then bang in fatigue. And ALPA can't do shiiiiiiit about it.
06-06-2017, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The FAA issued a legal interpretation which allowed the extension to become mandatory. I was very disappointed in the FAA, they essentially added two hours to every table B limit...defeating the whole point.
Unless there existed a workrule to the contrary (which we didn't have because we thought we were protected by the law!), that's the way many airlines are rolling with it.
If you're tired call in fatigued, at least you can still do that.
We don't need a union to negotiate work rules, but we didn't waste negotiating capital on something we thought was covered by federal law! Whether we'll revisit that depends on our pilot group's priorities. Since I can call fatigued if needed, I'd prefer to negotiate for something else.
Unless there existed a workrule to the contrary (which we didn't have because we thought we were protected by the law!), that's the way many airlines are rolling with it.
If you're tired call in fatigued, at least you can still do that.
We don't need a union to negotiate work rules, but we didn't waste negotiating capital on something we thought was covered by federal law! Whether we'll revisit that depends on our pilot group's priorities. Since I can call fatigued if needed, I'd prefer to negotiate for something else.
Which legal interp are you referring to?
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