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snackysmores 10-16-2017 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2448034)
Exactly how many pilots wander the halls of HQ?

Exactly, they'd never expect that: Mutiny from within the highest echelons of the Mormon faith. Managers would be looking over their shoulders all day; no one would know who the traitor was and it would drive them paranoid.

RemoveB4Flight 10-16-2017 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2448413)
Again, I don't think you quite understand what a union will bring to the table. If there is a violation, the union will tell you to fly it and grieve it. I am actually in favor of a union, but your arguments are not necessarily helping the cause.

I fully understand what is offered from a union. My last regional was union.
I'm not denying that you might sometimes have to fly it and grieve it no matter where you work but it doesn't seem as prevalent when there are possible repercussions.
Also the way it works here is this: SAPA meets with company and lists complaints. Company can say too bad that's how we are doing it. The policy manual is not legally binding. They can throw the entire thing in the trash if they choose.

I'm not even saying I want a union at Skywest. I'm simply saying things seem to be changing. Regardless of the company claiming that we are adequately staffed, we are not. And as they get more desperate, we may see them get more creative with their interpretation of policy.

jtsastre 10-16-2017 07:48 PM

I came from Colgan and the Piñacolaba MEC. The contract was definitely noteworthy, but at the end of the day, my paycheck was 80% incorrect and required extensive relays and extra work to get it corrected; the work rules were also disregarded and required extra vigilance.

Came to SkyWest and rarely had an incorrect paycheck or work-rule inconsistency; it was night-and-day.

Not against unions in any way, but that’s my experience.

RemoveB4Flight 10-17-2017 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2448202)
I've had several friends call their chief about these issues only to hear the same response. "Just fly the trip and file a report."


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2448781)
As I have stated before, since using SAPA as your mouthpiece isn't working, I would go directly to management and leave out the middleman.

CP is management.

RemoveB4Flight 10-17-2017 07:14 AM

Chief pilot

velosnow 10-17-2017 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2448822)
Ahhhh ok....you don't think if a person in management hears the same things over and over, and gets sick and tired of hearing about it, they won't do something about it?

In my time every chief pilot that was actually a good dude eventually couldn't put up the fight anymore and was weeded out.


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