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ALPA doesn't do jack for regionals.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2445367)
Don't mislead people (why am I surprised)... in 2007 a ballot not cast was a no vote. That rule had since changed but back then most non voters were intentional no voters.
That's EXACTLY why I specifically said pilots that didn't vote. Not voting was the same as a NO vote. How many of the 65% of pilots in 2007 that didn't vote still remain? My guess, not that many. And that was my point. Sorry you misunderstood (not surprised). |
Originally Posted by Apokleros
(Post 2445682)
ALPA doesn't do jack for regionals.
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Originally Posted by Apokleros
(Post 2445682)
ALPA doesn't do jack for regionals.
ALPA does exactly the same for regionals that they do for mainline. Just because they don't have as much leverage, doesn't mean they don't do anything. And once again, a pilot union is a lot more than just a contract. It's like number three in the importance level of a pilot union. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2445367)
Don't mislead people (why am I surprised)... in 2007 a ballot not cast was a no vote. That rule had since changed but back then most non voters were intentional no voters.
There are a lot of apathetic crew members that just couldn't be bothered to get informed, involved, or lift a finger to vote one way or another. |
Originally Posted by Apokleros
(Post 2445682)
ALPA doesn't do jack for regionals.
For what it's worth, at least ALPA representatives would be standing up for us to some degree, even if ALPA's leverage is small. Can you say the same for our student council in SAPA? I think that you also underestimate how ineffective ALPA can be at mainline and LCCs as well. Just look at what mainline/LCC pilots endured/are enduring now in order to secure better work rules and compensation. It isn't a matter of ALPA "not doing jack", rather it is the balance of power between unions and management that makes it look like ALPA is ineffective at the regional level...and management will always have power over unions and employees. |
Originally Posted by Paid2fly
(Post 2446346)
There are a lot of apathetic crew members that just couldn't be bothered to get informed, involved, or lift a finger to vote one way or another.
There are for sure, but in 2006 the vast majority on the non-votes were actually intentional no votes. I would have preferred if the no voters actually cast a ballot, to avoid ambiguity but that's irrelevant today... if it happened today, you'd have to cast a ballot if you wanted to be counted, either way. |
If put to a vote today, I would be very surprised to see it voted down.
If passed, the company/management would have no one to blame but themselves. |
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