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word302 10-14-2017 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2447256)
If put to a vote today, I would be very surprised to see it voted down.
If passed, the company/management would have no one to blame but themselves.

After this last vote I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see it fail. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.

CBreezy 10-15-2017 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2447071)
So throwing your hard earned money down the tubes for a group that is just, meh willing to stand up for you "to some degree" is a sound investment idea for you? Your SAPA group at least is not taking money from you to be ineffective as you say.

Which regionals have the highest pay and defined career paths? Do those regionals have unions? Do you think Skywest would match Endeavor TA out of the goodness of their heart? What happens if you are paid incorrectly even after filling a complaint?

Don't confuse the cartwheels management has to do to keep your pilot group happy as good will. They do it for the sole purpose of keeping a union off property because they know it would significantly cost them.

snackysmores 10-15-2017 01:45 PM

After Endeavor passes their TA just start leaving union drive leaflets inside Mormon HQ and you will get a big raise the following week. Guaranteed.

Apokleros 10-15-2017 02:02 PM

We don't want your union. We are very happy with our airline just the way it is Capeesh? You liberals think that you can mutate society into a debased pipedream of false delusions.

CBreezy 10-15-2017 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Apokleros (Post 2447731)
We don't want your union. We are very happy with our airline just the way it is Capeesh? You liberals think that you can mutate society into a debased pipedream of false delusions.

Whoa there Rand Paul. This isn't a liberal or conservative subject.

But, as an FYI, the middle class and our economy was strongest during the periods of highest unionization. Wages account for the lowest % of GDP and corporate revenue since the end it WW2. Since 2001, the only 1st world countries in North America and Europe that have seen a decline in that ratio are us, Ireland, Greece and Spain. Want to take a guess how those economies are doing?

And, by the way, you're welcome. A sector that has at least a 25% unionization, non-union workers in that industry earns a 7.5% higher wage.

RemoveB4Flight 10-15-2017 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Apokleros (Post 2447731)
We don't want your union. We are very happy with our airline just the way it is Capeesh? You liberals think that you can mutate society into a debased pipedream of false delusions.

Who's we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

word302 10-15-2017 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Apokleros (Post 2447731)
We don't want your union. We are very happy with our airline just the way it is Capeesh? You liberals think that you can mutate society into a debased pipedream of false delusions.

Uh. Speak for yourself.

Duesenflieger 10-15-2017 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Apokleros (Post 2447731)
We don't want your union. We are very happy with our airline just the way it is Capeesh? You liberals think that you can mutate society into a debased pipedream of false delusions.


I disagree. There is already an ALPA organizational movement in progress. Time will tell whether it blooms, but with QOL slipping and our pay lagging behind, it may gain traction.

Duesenflieger 10-15-2017 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2447071)
So throwing your hard earned money down the tubes for a group that is just, meh willing to stand up for you "to some degree" is a sound investment idea for you? Your SAPA group at least is not taking money from you to be ineffective as you say.


I'll humor you this once.


Having a union is an insurance policy to have in place and just one of many costs of doing business in the airline industry. It is for a reason that SkyWest management attempts to keep unions off property--they would be a newfound hindrance and would cost the airline.


The balance of power will always lie in management's hands, so ALPA can only do so much for us. Regional airline management is constrained by what it can offer, so it would seem that most regional unions are ineffective. I can understand the gripe of those of us who hail from previous ALPA-affiliated regionals.


A real, legit union would be far better for us than a company-sponsored group that has been accused by many pilots to censor anti-management sentiment. Mine and others' recent experience with SAPA as it regards the recent TA put a bad taste in my mouth--they weren't fighting for us, they were doing whatever they could to protect management's best interests. My personal view at least.


You as an "investor" don't want us to unionize because it would lower the value of SKYW stock. You are not looking out for the SkyWest pilot group's best interests, though. In fact, I doubt that you are an investor at all. You are most likely just trolling us for entertainment, ha.

WesternSkies 10-15-2017 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Apokleros (Post 2447731)
We don't want your union. We are very happy with our airline just the way it is Capeesh? You liberals think that you can mutate society into a debased pipedream of false delusions.

Cue Rex Tillerson.


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