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#91

rickair7777 , 08-23-2018 08:07 PM

Prime Minister/Moderator

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Originally Posted by HermannGraf

Not interested in being an admin and never claimed I was, you can keep that desirable position/title or what ever makes you happy

I am not an admin.

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Originally Posted by HermannGraf

and I am not interested in teaching you how to find IPs, find that out yourself.

I already know how. Viewing IP's used to access APC using the built in tools is one way. There are plenty of other ways, but they would all involve actual hacking, which is generally illegal.

So which is it, are you illegally hacking APC, or are you an internet tough guy who's full of BS?

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Originally Posted by HermannGraf

I am surprised how someone that used to be a pilot at Skywest and have friends here always make an effort to understand the company side of views more than the pilots.

Nobody needs to do anything in this world but some do it just because it is the right thing to do comparing to the market and the Industry or because they see what is coming and care about the future of the company and not just greed and save a buck.

The company does not need your help against the pilot group either. We have enough trolls doing that.
To talk like it was some logic not to pay better because they do not need to is just feeding ignorance. That is looking at it all short term very short term. They sure need to raise the wages as more than 80 a month are leaving right now and many are doing lateral moves going to other regionals.

Do you really think this will not affect us at Skywest?

If it is not for the pilot shortage then maybe just maybe they should raise the wages to avoid the Union.......just saying

Arrogans and 'this is how we always done it" will end working one day....
Greed is good but it can take down any size company. The bigger the bigger the fall. Skywest management knows how to milk most out of the operation but staffing is their weakness, wait a bit longer and we will see......Foreign pool is drying too

I'm pointing out facts of life. I do understand the company's point of view, and others need to as well (that's not the same as agreeing with it).

What "should be" and what's "fair" are mostly N/A in the business world, especially airlines, and most especially regionals. Understanding the actual lay of the land is a crucial first step to solving any problems you may have. A few key take-aways....

1) Management will not do anything that costs money because they "should" or it's "fair".
2) They will not increase compensation just because other airlines are doing it.
3) In the regional world, attrition is not a problem. In fact it's desirable as it keeps costs low, as long as there's no delta between attrition and recruiting.
4) The company may eventually increase compensation if necessary to adjust recruiting and/or attrition. But as I've said before, there's a limit to how much they can slow attrition because of the economic realities, ie severe imbalance between mainline and regional career compensation. Almost anyone who gets a big-6/legacy call is leaving. Even increasing pay by $100/hr would do almost nothing to change that.
5) The company has in the past (by reputable accounts) asked the mainline partners to reduce their hiring of OO pilots. They will most likely do so again, if they haven't already.
6) If the company loses their strategic vision and screws up the attrition/recruiting balance, the company might be in big trouble. Alternatively, the company may strategically shrink rather than lock in permanent pay increases. But there's nothing pilots can do about that.

Those are some realities that you have to comprehend before you can accomplish anything at all. I don't think you can accomplish anything with sapa as it stands now (that's opinion, not fact).

#92

bronc , 08-23-2018 08:30 PM

Line Holder

Quote:

Originally Posted by HermannGraf

Not interested in being an admin and never claimed I was, you can keep that desirable position/title or what ever makes you happy

and I am not interested in teaching you how to find IPs, find that out yourself.

I am surprised how someone that used to be a pilot at Skywest and have friends here always make an effort to understand the company side of views more than the pilots.

Nobody needs to do anything in this world but some do it just because it is the right thing to do comparing to the market and the Industry or because they see what is coming and care about the future of the company and not just greed and save a buck.

The company does not need your help against the pilot group either. We have enough trolls doing that.
To talk like it was some logic not to pay better because they do not need to is just feeding ignorance. That is looking at it all short term very short term. They sure need to raise the wages as more than 80 a month are leaving right now and many are doing lateral moves going to other regionals.

Do you really think this will not affect us at Skywest?

If it is not for the pilot shortage then maybe just maybe they should raise the wages to avoid the Union.......just saying

Arrogans and 'this is how we always done it" will end working one day....
Greed is good but it can take down any size company. The bigger the bigger the fall. Skywest management knows how to milk most out of the operation but staffing is their weakness, wait a bit longer and we will see......Foreign pool is drying too

Hint hint...shareholder..

#93

word302 , 08-24-2018 06:32 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

Airline pilot is a great job for those people, the majority of jobs are there, and they go junior. They should take the biggest bonus and fastest flow.

But if you don't want to live there, OO has something to offer.

unless of course you want to be a captain someday.

#94

rickair7777 , 08-24-2018 08:23 AM

Prime Minister/Moderator

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Originally Posted by word302

unless of course you want to be a captain someday.

You can be a CA in the west someday, it will just take a while. Might not be a bad plan B if you get stuck.

#95

rickair7777 , 08-24-2018 08:24 AM

Prime Minister/Moderator

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Originally Posted by bronc

Hint hint...shareholder..

I hope you're not implying that I'M a shareholder... airlines would be the very last thing I would ever invest in, if for no other reason than you don't want both your job and savings dependent on the same potentially very volatile industry.

#96

HermannGraf , 08-24-2018 09:07 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

I am not an admin.

I already know how. Viewing IP's used to access APC using the built in tools is one way. There are plenty of other ways, but they would all involve actual hacking, which is generally illegal.

So which is it, are you illegally hacking APC, or are you an internet tough guy who's full of BS?

I'm pointing out facts of life. I do understand the company's point of view, and others need to as well (that's not the same as agreeing with it).

What "should be" and what's "fair" are mostly N/A in the business world, especially airlines, and most especially regionals. Understanding the actual lay of the land is a crucial first step to solving any problems you may have. A few key take-aways....

1) Management will not do anything that costs money because they "should" or it's "fair".

when I said , "It's the right thing to do" was in relation to recruiting and what other Regionals are attracting pilots with. I heard several pilots that wanted to go to skywest but took another Regional because of the big pay diff

2) They will not increase compensation just because other airlines are doing it.
And that is why they will get more and more behind in the recruitment competition and will fail big if we do not change that

3) In the regional world, attrition is not a problem. In fact it's desirable as it keeps costs low, as long as there's no delta between attrition and recruiting.
That used to be the old model when supply was bigger than demand, not anymore so much, attrition now is a big problem as junior pilots are leaving some even before doing 1 year. It is costly to be a training department for other Regionals

4) The company may eventually increase compensation if necessary to adjust recruiting and/or attrition. But as I've said before, there's a limit to how much they can slow attrition because of the economic realities, ie severe imbalance between mainline and regional career compensation. Almost anyone who gets a big-6/legacy call is leaving. Even increasing pay by $100/hr would do almost nothing to change that.
retaining as much as possible is important, avoiding lateral moves by staying competitive in compensation is key, skywest is taking on more and more flying and it is also the largest pilot group and that makes it the most vulnerable

5) The company has in the past (by reputable accounts) asked the mainline partners to reduce their hiring of OO pilots. They will most likely do so again, if they haven't already.
Can't ask the ones we do not fly for for that, Southwest, Spirit, Allegiant, fedex, Atlas, etc etc do not care about Skywest attrition problems and United, Delta and america will continue hiring Skywest Pilots. If Skywest asked Delta not to hire they seem to not care

6) If the company loses their strategic vision and screws up the attrition/recruiting balance, the company might be in big trouble. Alternatively, the company may strategically shrink rather than lock in permanent pay increases. But there's nothing pilots can do about that.
Shrink will be what may save us for a while because we are so big but that creates new contract problems in the relation to the majors we fly for

Those are some realities that you have to comprehend before you can accomplish anything at all. I don't think you can accomplish anything with sapa as it stands now (that's opinion, not fact).

I been in the industry for more than 20 years and I think I understand a lot and I am sure than in some areas more than you.....

" I don't think you can accomplish anything with sapa as it stands now (that's opinion, not fact)."

at least we agree on that...

#97

word302 , 08-24-2018 09:38 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

You can be a CA in the west someday, it will just take a while. Might not be a bad plan B if you get stuck.

Lol. 5 to 8 years. You can be a captain in the west at Compass or Horizon much faster.

#98

Skyhawk121 , 08-24-2018 09:55 AM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by rswitz

Just got paid. A little over $900 for two weeks of work. I'm not even enrolled in benefits. What the hell is going on?

Am I really an airline pilot for 20k a year?

Are you still in new hire training? Since you only get a 65 hour guarantee in training, your checks are typically quite a bit less than after you get beyond the 65 hour guarantee.

#99

Nevjets , 08-24-2018 10:15 AM

Gets Weekends Off

SkyWest and Raises

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate

Backtracking? I don't backtrack, and don't have a need to do so. Dude, I know you are insecure, and hate me with a burning passion. So bad, that you in the past have gone on profane name calling rants at me, enough that you got banned, and then changed your name completely. Like I said, if you are so confident in your logic, I will gladly discuss anything you want via PM. I know you won't do that, because I think you have figured out you are not talking to some johnny-come-lately when it comes to this topic.

Care to continue?

Yeah, definitely backtracking. First you made the assumption that I was speaking about ALPA. That was wrong. I purposely omitted any reference to any specific union, especially ALPA since it’s been voted down twice. Second, when your incorrect assumption was finally made clear to you, you then said that you were talking to everyone on the thread (that is the backtracking part). Even though you specifically quoted my post in a response to me indicating your lack of knowledge about pilot unions, and ALPA specifically.

Now go ahead and tell mommy that someone is being mean to you again by pointing out your ignorance.

#100

rickair7777 , 08-24-2018 12:55 PM

Prime Minister/Moderator

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Originally Posted by word302

Lol. 5 to 8 years. You can be a captain in the west at Compass or Horizon much faster.

Then by all means, do it!

I'm not advocating SKW, I'm explaining why they think they can get away with what they're doing. If you choose another regional you'll be doing your small part to prove them wrong.