JS Disagreement
09-20-2018 | 10:32 AM
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What you are describing will get you blacklisted from United. That’s why I’m over here. You guys seem to think just because both sides are mad that the results will pan out the same. Denying a pilot because you feel like it will get the jumpseat agreement nullified completely.
What I am here to earn you about is that anyone who wants to come to United should be 100% telling SAPA AND their own pilots to shut up immediately. It doesn’t matter what the United guys on the forum are saying. Ignore it and tell people who are going over there to stop. There is no possible benefit to purposely upset those guys. There is tremendous downside.
What I am here to earn you about is that anyone who wants to come to United should be 100% telling SAPA AND their own pilots to shut up immediately. It doesn’t matter what the United guys on the forum are saying. Ignore it and tell people who are going over there to stop. There is no possible benefit to purposely upset those guys. There is tremendous downside.
09-20-2018 | 05:49 PM
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You do realize that last time United tried to unilaterally change the jumpseat agreement they lost right? Funny how United pilots are up in arms over this when the other UAX carriers are only protecting the agreement that is already in place. For the most part, this is a union to union issue between the carriers. And you good Union stewards are asking us UAX plebs to go against our own union agreements, else we get blacklisted for it? The level of hypocrisy is sickening and quite a sad reflection of the lack of of respect you have for your colleagues or their unions.
09-20-2018 | 08:02 PM
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For the most part, this is a union to union issue between the carriers. And you good Union stewards are asking us UAX plebs to go against our own union agreements, else we get blacklisted for it? The level of hypocrisy is sickening and quite a sad reflection of the lack of of respect you have for your colleagues or their unions.
Secondly, Peepz (who I was responding to) changed his post. He said, even if the agreement changes, he will be using his own personal criteria to deny UAL jumpseaters. I would say that is a bad idea. I am NOT saying in ANY WAY that you go against your own (your words not mine) "union" but that this can turn ugly. You don't want to be the guy that dicks everything up just because you felt like being a one man army.
Look, I came here to warn you guys that this will get very ugly if you allow it. One way is to antagonize the United pilots on the United forum.
Don't like what is happening, talk to your reps. But I GUARANTEE, as someone who has worked at BOTH companies and worked in the (real) Union at UAL and the (fake) one at SkyWest; You will not win any sort of battle with United, today. TG does not have your back. Chip has it even less. He will change the FOM priority 1 minute after talking to SAPA and RJ will have nothing to say about it, because he can't even fly the line.
Anyway, I've wasted enough time here. If you want to go **** off these guys, BEFORE you even have a letter, do it. Poison your own well. It's your future, not mine.
I recommend remaining tactful and not going around ****ing people off for ****s and giggles.
09-20-2018 | 08:04 PM
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They are upset because it favors them greatly but no one is bowing down and giving it to them on a silver platter when this is a change to the agreement that favors only one side.
We already are in the process of getting rid of SAPA, so give us some time.
Thanks for the warning though about us possibly losing our opportunity to be at UAL one day. That would be a terrible outcome over something so petty; however I’ll have to give the UAL hiring team the benefit of the doubt and hope they know what good people they have working at express jet, TSA, republic, gojet, Mesa, and OO who have made it their goal to get on there.
We already are in the process of getting rid of SAPA, so give us some time.
Thanks for the warning though about us possibly losing our opportunity to be at UAL one day. That would be a terrible outcome over something so petty; however I’ll have to give the UAL hiring team the benefit of the doubt and hope they know what good people they have working at express jet, TSA, republic, gojet, Mesa, and OO who have made it their goal to get on there.
If you decide to start randomly, of your own accord, denying jumpseats, you will severely limit your career. I see you deleted your previous post about it. Don't do it, let the people who's job it is to figure this out do their jobs. That's all I'm saying. That and don't troll the old guys in the United forum, that doesn't help your case.
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