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Skyhawk121 10-17-2018 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2692940)
It’s not the rates that most of us have a problem with.

What is it that you have a problem with? As a 3+ year CA in MSP I am pretty happy with it and am a yes vote.

hawk21 10-17-2018 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2692940)
It’s not the rates that most of us have a problem with.


Signing bonuses?



Most companies are doing it already. Whether you like it or not.

word302 10-17-2018 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Skyhawk121 (Post 2692970)
What is it that you have a problem with? As a 3+ year CA in MSP I am pretty happy with it and am a yes vote.

It's the complete lack of QOL improvements. Major QOL improvements will never come outside of a pay agreement. We get so blinded by rates we forget what really matters are work rules.

word302 10-17-2018 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by hawk21 (Post 2693021)
Signing bonuses?



Most companies are doing it already. Whether you like it or not.

That's a very small portion of my gripes. We should be getting much more in return for it though.

Skyhawk121 10-17-2018 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2693024)
It's the complete lack of QOL improvements. Major QOL improvements will never come outside of a pay agreement. We get so blinded by rates we forget what really matters are work rules.

I'm not blinded by rates, but there is still enough there to get a yes out of me. What QOL are you wanting specifically?

word302 10-17-2018 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by Skyhawk121 (Post 2693051)
I'm not blinded by rates, but there is still enough there to get a yes out of me. What QOL are you wanting specifically?

85 hour cap on awarded hours, include reserves in all guarantees, 150% for awarded hours above 85, higher MDG, better trip rig, real language controlling staffing levels.

Skyhawk121 10-17-2018 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2693055)
85 hour cap on awarded hours, include reserves in all guarantees, 150% for awarded hours above 85, higher MDG, better trip rig, real language controlling staffing levels.

Well to touch on a couple of these items, why would they raise MDG when us and Republic are the only two carriers at 4:12 everyone else in the industry is lower. Endeavor is 4:00.

Most of the regionals don't have a trip rig, but all of them that do have 1:4, so it's not like our trip rig is lagging behind the industry.

Maybe it is because I flew for a different regional prior to coming here, but if you went and did some time there, it would be a major eye opener for you.

word302 10-17-2018 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Skyhawk121 (Post 2693069)
Well to touch on a couple of these items, why would they raise MDG when us and Republic are the only two carriers at 4:12 everyone else in the industry is lower. Endeavor is 4:00.

Most of the regionals don't have a trip rig, but all of them that do have 1:4, so it's not like our trip rig is lagging behind the industry.

Maybe it is because I flew for a different regional prior to coming here, but if you went and did some time there, it would be a major eye opener for you.

So as the biggest, most profitable regional airline in history we should just wait for others to raise the bar?

Skyhawk121 10-17-2018 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2693072)
So as the biggest, most profitable regional airline in history we should just wait for others to raise the bar?

The people running this company aren't stupid. The reason why this airline has existed for almost 50 years is because we are profitable. If pilot costs increase too much, you end up with another comair.

Apophenia 10-17-2018 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2693024)
It's the complete lack of QOL improvements. Major QOL improvements will never come outside of a pay agreement. We get so blinded by rates we forget what really matters are work rules.

I wouldn't say there has been a complete lack of QOL improvements. With one the last TRs, we can get a hotel in base after a cancel or reflow, regardless of the layover length (previously it wasn't possible unless your next trip started in less than 12 hours, or if you convinced crew support to ask RG to approve one). We're also moving from the Surface to iPad soon, which actually has a usable modem.

Sure, protection for commuters hasn't gotten any better (and probably never will), but I live in my base, so none of that really concerns me to be honest.


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