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Flying Spike 10-12-2018 03:48 PM

I’m not in the system yet. How long before we know the result?

sn00p 10-12-2018 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaCorrectons (Post 2690415)
This is exactly what the endeavor mec said to us just vote yes because the pay is right and we can fix the other issues later in different LOA’s and it’s been radio silence ever since on a lot of key issues that people really need addressed to impove QOL and keep more of that money that they gave us in the raises in our pockets. I’m just an outsider and take my opinion for what you see it’s worth but your out nothing by waiting and trying to solve some more key issues you have.

Thanks for posting this. Great insight imo.

zondaracer 10-12-2018 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by Flying Spike (Post 2690439)
I’m not in the system yet. How long before we know the result?

Vote closes on the 17th. Results shortly after. New pay goes into effect 1 Nov if the outcome is yes.

Flying Spike 10-12-2018 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 2690538)
Vote closes on the 17th. Results shortly after. New pay goes into effect 1 Nov if the outcome is yes.

Copied, thanks

WesternSkies 10-14-2018 01:15 PM

I personally can’t understand the people who are topped out on the pay scale being so against it on the account of inflation.
It is like they don’t really understand that a 20 year scale stops at 20 years. I would jump at the 3% bump offered.
I also have a hard time understanding the FOs voting no to 30% raise.
We are in a bubble.

Utah 10-14-2018 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2691241)
I personally can’t understand the people who are topped out on the pay scale being so against it on the account of inflation.
It is like they don’t really understand that a 20 year scale stops at 20 years. I would jump at the 3% bump offered.
I also have a hard time understanding the FOs voting no to 30% raise.
We are in a bubble.

I don't think you have any idea how inflation works.

Do you think the 1.5% in 2020 and the 1% in 2021 and 2022, will keep up with inflation. Do you even know what inflation has run over the past decade or two, or what the Fed target is?

I believe our top 50 seat rate at the end of 2001 was $92 an hour. Do you have any idea what you would need to make now to have the same purchasing power? $131 an hour.

I'd happily accept a pay package tied to the government reported inflation rate. It runs 2% a year.

In four years when this pay package expires someone topped out will have less purchasing power than they have today.

And for those topped out it's not even a 3% increase. Less than 2 1/2.

Not that you give a **** about any of that, or can probably understand it.

Check Complete 10-14-2018 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2691241)
I personally can’t understand the people who are topped out on the pay scale being so against it on the account of inflation.
It is like they don’t really understand that a 20 year scale stops at 20 years. I would jump at the 3% bump offered.
I also have a hard time understanding the FOs voting no to 30% raise.
We are in a bubble.

It's this kindergarten level of economic capability that clearly shows we are our own worse enemy. This person is a management's dream.

For the sake of all of mankind, please don't have a family......

WesternSkies 10-14-2018 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Utah (Post 2691271)
I don't think you have any idea how inflation works.

Do you think the 1.5% in 2020 and the 1% in 2021 and 2022, will keep up with inflation. Do you even know what inflation has run over the past decade or two, or what the Fed target is?

I believe our top 50 seat rate at the end of 2001 was $92 an hour. Do you have any idea what you would need to make now to have the same purchasing power? $131 an hour.

I'd happily accept a pay package tied to the government reported inflation rate. It runs 2% a year.

In four years when this pay package expires someone topped out will have less purchasing power than they have today.

And for those topped out it's not even a 3% increase. Less than 2 1/2.

Not that you give a **** about any of that, or can probably understand it.

119 to 123 is a 3.3% increase.
So now that I’ve gotten you angry and your math is wrong, what did you think was going to happen in regard to inflation when you got to year 21 on a 20 year pay scale as you spent those two decades climbing it? You wanna talk smarts?

Did you have these current bonuses, work rules, qol & 401k in 2001? Total comp for a 20 year guy is on pace with YOUR provided numbers.

Haha

Utah 10-14-2018 04:03 PM

Only an idiot would compare our current rates with the proposed rates and not take into account the pay rates that would/will happen on Jan 1 2019. The difference is less than $3 an hour from what we are already scheduled to get for someone topped out in either aircraft.

You really think the annual step increase is suppose to account for inflation. Wrong.

Why do you think all of the other airlines get 3% a year or so on January 1st.

amcnd 10-14-2018 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by WesternSkies (Post 2691241)
I personally can’t understand the people who are topped out on the pay scale being so against it on the account of inflation.
It is like they don’t really understand that a 20 year scale stops at 20 years. I would jump at the 3% bump offered.
I also have a hard time understanding the FOs voting no to 30% raise.
We are in a bubble.

I agree. As someone pointed out these same people (including me) that started 20 years ago came to SkyWest with the assumption of making 60k a year max flying a turbo prop... Most these guys are making 160k a year+... they need to factor that into there math... i get it. We all lost 10 years of “career progression” after 9/11. Now there looking at retirement in 10-15 years as they look at there 401k and need to save.. And most don’t want to start over at a major...As for the newhires. They don’t vote off education on the TA. They vote off what social media says they should vote...


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