Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 2687030)

Absolute NO vote.

Why?

This entire package is postured to bringing people here at the true expense of those here longer than 6 or so years. First of all is the signing bonus of 40 Grand and the potential of the same person getting an additional 20 Grand reimbursement for their flight training. Every dollar given to people not even here has to come from somewhere, as a result your bonuses will be reduced. (another reason they will not hard fix the hourly scales) I seem to recall all the years where all they could spend was 1 percent, that's it! Now all of a sudden we are flush with cash but still will not spend it on those here, especially the ones with 15 or more years. Don't kid yourself, this package doesn't even keep up with the Cost Of Living projected increases.

So there's one NO reason.

The 87 hours for 130% garbage, this is entangled with so many hoops to get through it is amazing! And you know the company didn't see right through this to build lines with less hours. Remember this 87 hour value has to be in PBS, it's the only way you'll get it. You can't trade up or pick up and get it. And as soon as the lines start getting close to 87 hours they will just turn reserves into line holders and dilute the value to less. The company isn't stupid and now there will be less reserves if you want a day off (ha). If you are not aware how easily the company can manipulate and sway PBS, wake up. Ask the No. 1 in your domicile how they don't get what they bid for: Company Need, in this case lines with less than 87 hours.

Another NO.

Strategic planning. For the pilots, should we finally get our act together and unionize, the company could sit on this TA for years before they decided to talk. With this package, the company has all they need for at least 5 years, maybe 10. If we vote this down and then vote in a union the company will need to get a contract out quickly. Now we would have an opportunity to get industry leading pay scales AND livable work rules! The company didn't come back to the table early because of good will (those days are long gone), they came back because they had too. They have to have what the other airlines offer to new hires.

Why shouldn't those already here get the same thing? I understand it would quickly help some new FO's but think past today or even tomorrow, think 2 or 3 or 4 years from now.

Another big NO.

Now don't get me started on the Credit or better vs. Block or better garbage.

We deserve more, we deserve better.

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2687122)

More reason to go to a Major.... better benefits, travel, vac, sick, postive space passes, ect. Come to grips we work for a subcontractor... im still a yes. But im out of here anyway... for the reasons listed above. Not having to worry about who’s going to take who’s flying...and getting a schedule and life style that fits my family...

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2687179)

Shows you the difference between a regional subcontractor and a Major.. lets get real. Only way to say “No” is to move on... thats the only thing that will get to SGU... when attrition is 100+ a month even after we vote yes for this TA..

Originally Posted by Timmay (Post 2686285)

I had Jon Graff as a new-hire too.

Originally Posted by Check Complete (Post 2687030)

Absolute NO vote.

Why?

This entire package is postured to bringing people here at the true expense of those here longer than 6 or so years. First of all is the signing bonus of 40 Grand and the potential of the same person getting an additional 20 Grand reimbursement for their flight training. Every dollar given to people not even here has to come from somewhere, as a result your bonuses will be reduced. (another reason they will not hard fix the hourly scales) I seem to recall all the years where all they could spend was 1 percent, that's it! Now all of a sudden we are flush with cash but still will not spend it on those here, especially the ones with 15 or more years. Don't kid yourself, this package doesn't even keep up with the Cost Of Living projected increases.

So there's one NO reason.

The 87 hours for 130% garbage, this is entangled with so many hoops to get through it is amazing! And you know the company didn't see right through this to build lines with less hours. Remember this 87 hour value has to be in PBS, it's the only way you'll get it. You can't trade up or pick up and get it. And as soon as the lines start getting close to 87 hours they will just turn reserves into line holders and dilute the value to less. The company isn't stupid and now there will be less reserves if you want a day off (ha). If you are not aware how easily the company can manipulate and sway PBS, wake up. Ask the No. 1 in your domicile how they don't get what they bid for: Company Need, in this case lines with less than 87 hours.

Another NO.

Strategic planning. For the pilots, should we finally get our act together and unionize, the company could sit on this TA for years before they decided to talk. With this package, the company has all they need for at least 5 years, maybe 10. If we vote this down and then vote in a union the company will need to get a contract out quickly. Now we would have an opportunity to get industry leading pay scales AND livable work rules! The company didn't come back to the table early because of good will (those days are long gone), they came back because they had too. They have to have what the other airlines offer to new hires.

Why shouldn't those already here get the same thing? I understand it would quickly help some new FO's but think past today or even tomorrow, think 2 or 3 or 4 years from now.

Another big NO.

Now don't get me started on the Credit or better vs. Block or better garbage.

We deserve more, we deserve better.

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2686027)

If you read what TT posted or what Sapa says. This isnt QOL. That’s negotiated separately. This is a “pay” proposal.. they fixed the major issues from last time. Im a yes.


Then yes. Lets get going on parking, hotels, ect...

Originally Posted by trip (Post 2689607)

Well the emails were certainly disappointing.