Alpa drive?
04-13-2019, 02:57 PM
#301
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Nevjets said
“This is what the Skywest MEC would do, negotiate for the flying they do have. The politics of scope will remain at the mainline level, where it will always be.”
^ so negotiate it away from other alpa regionals..... Scope is “tapped out” only growth is through taking other airlines flying at this point.. in the present were seeing this with ASA DL aircraft, now GoJet, next..??? If ALPA nation did things right. To take the inter conflict of alpa negotiating scope changes at Majors and hurting Alpa regionals. They would demand “pure flows” for every regional... no more conflict of interest....
“This is what the Skywest MEC would do, negotiate for the flying they do have. The politics of scope will remain at the mainline level, where it will always be.”
^ so negotiate it away from other alpa regionals..... Scope is “tapped out” only growth is through taking other airlines flying at this point.. in the present were seeing this with ASA DL aircraft, now GoJet, next..??? If ALPA nation did things right. To take the inter conflict of alpa negotiating scope changes at Majors and hurting Alpa regionals. They would demand “pure flows” for every regional... no more conflict of interest....
04-13-2019, 03:13 PM
#302
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Alpa drive?
Originally Posted by amcnd
Nevjets said
“This is what the Skywest MEC would do, negotiate for the flying they do have. The politics of scope will remain at the mainline level, where it will always be.”
^ so negotiate it away from other alpa regionals..... Scope is “tapped out” only growth is through taking other airlines flying at this point.. in the present were seeing this with ASA DL aircraft, now GoJet, next..??? If ALPA nation did things right. To take the inter conflict of alpa negotiating scope changes at Majors and hurting Alpa regionals. They would demand “pure flows” for every regional... no more conflict of interest....
“This is what the Skywest MEC would do, negotiate for the flying they do have. The politics of scope will remain at the mainline level, where it will always be.”
^ so negotiate it away from other alpa regionals..... Scope is “tapped out” only growth is through taking other airlines flying at this point.. in the present were seeing this with ASA DL aircraft, now GoJet, next..??? If ALPA nation did things right. To take the inter conflict of alpa negotiating scope changes at Majors and hurting Alpa regionals. They would demand “pure flows” for every regional... no more conflict of interest....
One regional cannot negotiate away from other ALPA regionals. Each regional MEC can only negotiate for pay and work rules they have. Regional MECs have nothing to do with what flying mainline mec doesn’t want to scope in nor what flying their regional management is able to win from mainline carriers. Whatever flying each regional gets, it’s what the regional MEC negotiates pay and work rules for.
Sure, I would love it if each mainline MEC were to use their negotiating capital to scope in all flying under their name. That way everyone would be on each brand’s seniority list. No need for flows or any other gimmicks! But this isn’t the world we live in right now. This in the purview of mainline MECs and frankly beyond the scope (no pun intended) of a discussion dealing with Skywest unionizing. I don’t mean to be crass but assuming Skywest pilots vote to become part of ALPA, it simply means that you will know be able to negotiate pay and work rules for the flying you have (among other things I’ve mentioned on this thread). Skywest becoming ALPA or any other union will have no direct impact on mainline unions deciding to scope in their flying.
As for ALPA National, think of them as a tool box created by the MECs for each MEC to use as it needs. No one at ALPA National can compel any MEC to do anything. They simply don’t have that power because ALPA is not set up that way. The national officers take their direction from all reps from all the MECs.
There simply is no conflict of interest.
04-13-2019, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Truthanator
You fail to understand factual information. Do some research instead of cowing to the ALPA sheep mentality.
Regional flying has increased, and is forecast to increase, at 2% annually until 2038. US mainline air carriers flying has decreased the last two years by 2% and is forecast to decrease 1% annually until 2038.
"Regional carrier enplanements are forecast to increase 2.0 percent to 154.8 million in 2018, and grow 1.6 percent a year thereafter, reaching 214.5 million in 2038."
"Regional jets increase from 1,644 aircraft in 2017 to 1,910 aircraft in 2038, an annual increase of 0.7 percent. All of the increase is attributed to jet aircraft in the 70-90-seat category."
Straight from the FAA Fact Sheet.
It's like I Mike Tyson'd you in the first round. 30 seconds.
Just stay down.
The Truth hurts. Ice it down with some cold hard facts.
ALPA is a joke.
Regional flying has increased, and is forecast to increase, at 2% annually until 2038. US mainline air carriers flying has decreased the last two years by 2% and is forecast to decrease 1% annually until 2038.
"Regional carrier enplanements are forecast to increase 2.0 percent to 154.8 million in 2018, and grow 1.6 percent a year thereafter, reaching 214.5 million in 2038."
"Regional jets increase from 1,644 aircraft in 2017 to 1,910 aircraft in 2038, an annual increase of 0.7 percent. All of the increase is attributed to jet aircraft in the 70-90-seat category."
Straight from the FAA Fact Sheet.
It's like I Mike Tyson'd you in the first round. 30 seconds.
Just stay down.
The Truth hurts. Ice it down with some cold hard facts.
ALPA is a joke.
04-14-2019, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by word302
Lol. Wanna try again?
04-14-2019, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by word302
Lol. Wanna try again?
04-14-2019, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Melit
Do you have FACTS to prove him wrong?
The facts are on post #300.
04-14-2019, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
The facts are on post #300.
04-14-2019, 01:38 PM
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Alpa drive?
Originally Posted by Melit
You're not Word302..
Word doesn’t own the facts. They are what they are. So I’m not sure how it makes the facts any different if he didn’t specifically point to the facts I posted? Or are you disputing something about the facts?
04-15-2019, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Melit
Do you have FACTS to prove him wrong?
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