Truthanator

I'm pretty sure my post indicated that some of the data was projected. It doesn't change the fact that regional flying has increased despite record growth and profits for all the major airlines.

Way to stand your ground ALPA. Lmao.

Lol....just keep drinking a different flavor of kool aid boys.


United aims to address scope. The airline plans to push for relief to expand its large regional jet fleet in its next pilots' contract, which could come as soon as January 2019. Negotiations with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) can begin in May.

"We can wind up turning 50 seaters into larger regional jets, but we make some kind of commitment to them, whether it's a growth commitment or jobs," says Kirby. He believes that by continuing to expand the airline's mainline operations it can convince pilots that it does not plan to outsource jobs to lower-cost regional partners if it gets scope relief.

Analysts are wary of this view. Keay expects pilots to demand a "generous raise" in exchange for scope relief in the next round of negotiations.

ALPA is a joke, and all of your weak parroting of the lame benefits it provides is an even bigger joke.

captive apple

Stop lying. FFD has been shrinking for years. Delta has seen about 3% drop in regional fleet year over year for the last 5. United was buying fewer regional hours per year but I haven’t checked since air Wisconsin started flying for them.
I don’t know if you are taking about people like boutique growing but our FFD flying has shrank.

Check Complete

Well you seem to have all the answers? What is it?


Is it SAPA? Oh god NO!



Yes it's a honestly great group of people that have realistically zero horse power to face management. Nothing, really there's no argument!


Do we have an enforceable contract? No!


Do we have legal protection from or to management? No!


What does the SkyWest pilot group have that is so much better than 98% of all the other professional pilot groups actually have?


Oh, I know, it's our "open door policy"!



Yes, 60,000 other pilots look at SkyWest pilots with drooling envy because of it!


The real TRUTH is you are the joke here, with your pointless myopic stance of what's around the industry today.

Truthanator

I understand why you are mad. It's funny that when any ALPA organizer or supporter is faced with hard questions or any reasonable dissent, they respond just like this. I've done it in person, and they get up and walk away. They don't want questions, they want you to fall in line and donate your 2%.

ALPA has broken our trust while promoting some "brotherhood" and failed to protect our profession. Regional pilots have been forced into low wages and stuck in airplane's that should be on main line property for more than 10-15 years.

I don't have all the answers, but I know ALPA is not the answer for Skywest, or any other regional airline.

All you have to do is take a roll call of all the regional's that ALPA has failed....and that is after ALPA at all of the main line carriers failed them first.

Comair. Horizon. ExpressJet. Eagle. ASA.

How many examples to you need? How many more "regional" pilots have to fly from MSP-LAX in a 76 jet for $85/hr?

Certify your own union, even if it costs you extra. ALPA would make Skywest another miserable regional airline overnight. I've talked to regional pilots at ALPA regional's. It's worthless. Donate 2% to file grievances? Congratulations. Way to stick it to management. That'll show them.


The FAA isn't coming after your license anymore.

Meow1215

While not the dumbest thing I heard this week, it is the dumbest thing I have heard today.

Also - it’s a certificate, not a license.

gojo

Wow, just wow. Nice demonstration of myopic view. While ALPA may not be perfect. Neither is Skywest. And neither Alpa or Skywest is the naive picture that you attempt to paint. Good thing that most pilots in this industry use the rational thinking process part of their brain. If one picks and chooses just what they want to see and hear they’re going to miss a lot in the translation. ALPA has done a lot for this industry as a whole in regards to Safety, and many other programs that Skywest pilots take advantage of for free. And I shudder to think of what this industry would be like without it.

word302

Your arguments are a complete joke. You're stating projections/myth as fact. Quoting what Kirby wants as fact? Hahaha. Get real dude. Nobody is voting in scope relief. Go sit in a mainline jumpseat and talk to actual line pilots. Your 2nd grade arguments are laughable at best.

savedbythevnav

Horizon isn't ALPA. XJT/ASA was whipsawed by SkyWest because they could hold them over XJT's heads. Had both carriers been union I doubt they would've screwed those guys over as much.

WO's have been, and always will be, the bastard child of the mainline carrier. I don't agree with it, but they'll always hold flow over their heads as an excuse for not giving them more. We're in the "salad years" because they need to attract pilots somehow.

As for the FAA, they will always be there to enforce. If you think you're somehow immune to that I hope, for your sake, that it does not come back to bite you.

Check Complete

First of all, I’m not mad at this realm of discussion issues.

And no, I don’t believe that ALPA or any organization can wave a magic wand to the degree that we will all be singing and dancing down the terminal. I’m not looking to ALPA to supply an answer to our issues, I know that’s not possible. But I do know for a fact that the our position as a pilot group is being strong armed by management and we are slipping backwards. I’ve been a SAPA representative and I know the how management can push the agenda, and I know it’s losing it’s traction. It’s one step forward and two steps back. As far as the 2% goes, I pay more than that for the garbage heath insurance we have, should I stop that too?

No ALPA is not going to fix everything, I get it. But if just one pilot can keep their job when it has been conveniently reported to our partners that the person was terminated, I’d say it was worth it. The pilot that was terminated because he was suspected of alcohol, made the papers, but never charged? Do you think he would like legal counsel provided to him? I know I would. He got nothing but a ruined career. The company gave him zero assistance.

I don’t honestly have the detailed history of how ALPA has “failed” the regionals you have listed. To my knowledge Comair failed at the wrong runway and if I recall Horizon has always been Teamsters. My friend at Kallita said it is incredibly better as ALPA over Teamsters. However, the growth of regionals in respect to the major partners is just as much or more a product of management than a labor union.

Certifying an in house union is not economically possible with the demographics of this pilot group, might as well go down the road of trying to make us our own country. Not happening.

ALPA will not fix everything but it can improve issues, our management learned to work with organized labor when it bought ASA/ExpressJet. Did they like it, no they did not. They lost some of their leverage over the pilot group. They were forced to comply with their written contracts.

I want some of that leverage, this pilot group deserves to be recognized. There is a reason why management is so steadfast against a union and it’s not because they care about me or the 5000 other pilots here. There is nothing management has to answer to, no one person can afford to exercise any legal action.

But 5000 jointly organized can.

As far the FAA going after licenses anymore, ask the crew that inadvertently de-iced with their flaps not up how they have had to deal with the FAA.

By themselves, no help from the company.

trip

That’s news to guys who got 709 rides recently.