MasterOfPuppets

Absolutely. If we absorb the pilots at Xjet it will be a full blown staple and no one could argue otherwise. So if you get hired by UA now you will be senior to all the current Xjet pilots.

trip

Have no fear, the shell corporation will keep the pilots separate, no claim to one list that way (Comair). This will be home to the zero-hero build your hours with a United owned airline. The whipsaw will live on.

Itsajob

How would any of this change how United hires? XJT is getting some 175’s, but why would that change the current CPP? I can see where this is good for the near term future of XJT, but it in no way means that it will lead to a flow agreement or any other increased chance of XJT pilots gaining employment with United Airlines. United wants to pick and choose who they hire. If anyone can actually figure out exactly what they are looking for, they could get rich selling interview preparation classes. The jury is out on that one.

John Carr

Nope, it just means you'll get sent the HPI.

Pass that, THEN you'll get a F2F.

4V14T0R

I’m pretty sure it’s only 12 hulls at YX.


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Squallrider

I saw a quote somewhere that it won’t affect flow / cpp , source wasn’t specified so it’s as legit as anything on the internet ha

full of luv

I'd say the #1 argument for Mgmt not to absorb any pilots, staple or not, is that they lose the benefit of restarting their longevity. Even with a "flow" UAL gets to restart the longevity and all that entails when they join the mainline list. Same as everywhere else.

ShyGuy

DOH is the gold standard!

rickair7777

Actually... you can't do a staple anymore, especially with ALPA/ALPA. There would have to be a fair and equitable integration.

You can sort of make the case that a staple is sort of fair but the more senior XJT people (the majority of them) will insist on something for their longevity. Established precedent will give them something.

Only way around that would be do like SWA did with tranny... make them an offer they can't refuse, but the company would have to be integral to that (UA-ALPA can't unilaterally shut down the XJT certificate).

Itsajob

Absolutely. If we absorb the pilots at Xjet it will be a full blown staple and no one could argue otherwise. So if you get hired by UA now you will be senior to all the current Xjet pilots.

Only way around that would be do like SWA did with tranny... make them an offer they can't refuse, but the company would have to be integral to that (UA-ALPA can't unilaterally shut down the XJT certificate).


There is no need for the United to absorb anyone. They can simply hire the pilots that they like in the interview process and move on. I don’t see 70 seat jets at mainline any time soon, but if we did the pilots who currently fly those planes don’t have to come with them. United already owns the metal. It isn’t an airline acquisition that would trigger some sort of pilots come too deal. All they have to do is bring the planes to mainline when the leases to the regionals expire and hire from all available sources accordingly. Not wishing a sharp stick in anyone’s eye, just looking at this from a company or legal point of view.