They aren't getting hired at Envoy or Endeavor. I know the first one for a fact.

 

I did about half of my time building in my own plane and have had no problem getting offers. I did a lot of actual traveling though. A trip from san diego to Cape cod via key west, then back through Chicago. A couple of trips to oshkosh from the west coast as well as almost 50 hours of formation flying. I feel like the time in my plane helped more than hurt because i didn't just stay local and burn holes in the same sky.

I got a CJO on Jan 28 and go to CTP June 10, start ground June 21 in the ERJ. I was told that since i have my hours they could put me on the wait list and probably get called to go sooner but i chose to keep that date to allow me to settle some things at home and to prepare.

 

Really? You have first-hand knowledge of everyone getting hired at Envoy? I highly doubt they can afford to be any more selective than anyone else. Also, it's a silly assumption that someone who has a plane is somehow less prepared for airline training than anyone else.

 

^^^^This^^^.

Five years ago you weren’t even competitive for many regionalswithout a couple hundred hours of ME. Now Republic is hard core, wanting fifty hours. Most regionals just want 25. And almost all regionals have had to modify their training, not necessarily lowering standards but certainly increasing the training footprint and often adding sims.

Once the current crop of “old” regional captains are exhausted it will be interesting to see how the hiring people from the majors react to people whose experience is quick SE CFI time and flying planes that pretty much fly themselves once 600 ft AGL.

 

Yes.

Less than 150 people have been hired at Envoy since November 2018. Recruitment is very frank on who they are hiring and what they are looking for.

Prior aviation employment (verifiable) is a must.

 

Thats a bold move to accuse me about lying about flight time..... would you like a tail number to watch me on flight aware?


I am flying in a mooney that I can lean out to 7.2 gph and cruise nice and slow around the western conus. I have no problem hitting all the R-ATP numbers for c/c, night, instrument. I plan on renting a multi somewhere for my multi-training, checkride and the multi-time required for the regional I choose to go to. (Skywest does not mention multi time at all on the 1000 hour R-ATP requirement)

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I agree it may not be the best way to prepare myself for an airline career but, it still does fill in the boxes of what I need to do to get my R-ATP.

I have my CFI checkride this week and I am sure I will work part time doing that in addition to taking long cross countries in my plane to continue building time. There are plenty of CFIs with little multi-time getting hired at many regionals and making it through training.

If I qualify then I qualify- if a company sees me as a risk to have a rough time in training there is nothing I can do about that except to sell myself in the interview, prepare the absolute best I can, and if I have to work harder than some other people to get through it than that is the price I pay for not doing whatever you think is best path to get from 250 hours to 1000.

I am sure not going to take multi-engine SIC cargo job that I only fly for 2 hours a day and then sit for 8 in the middle of nowhere at a company that puts a training bond on me while I am only getting a 8 hours a week when I could be doing that in one day in a single engine.

Maybe the right 135 job will come up that works for me but they usually want at least 500 or 800 hours to hire you and it doesn't make sense to them when I am going to leave 3-6 months after they hire me because I will have a R-ATP and am eligible for 121 carriers and way more $

I try to see where you are coming from. My current career that allows me enough income and time off to do this career change to pilot has also had big changes with the new guys coming in that are from a completely different generation and have a different mindset than the older ones. There have been some adjustments....some of them fail out of training and others figure it out and are successful. Adapt and overcome. I don't expect training to be easy, especially at skywest (which has a good training reputation from what I have researched), I see it like a public service academy or bootcamp. Commit to the program and find a way to succeed.

 

You will do fine in 121 training. He's just blowing hot air.

 

Where the hell was he accusing you of lying about your hours? He was being straight up honest with you and you're already offended. Most airlines don't care if you've built your first 1,500 hours putzing around all over the country in a Mooney. Tons of single-engine piston time is damn near worthless if you desire to fly a multi-engine, turbine aircraft.

 

Just my 2 cents, but it’s not the airlines requiring the 1500 hrs. If the FAA reduced the requirement to 500 hrs the airlines would do the same. The OP has it right, he just needs to fly off the hrs.

 

" and probably lying about your flight time." was what I was referring to.

I am not offended, but I am not going to be called a liar and sit back and take it without saying anything back either.

The hours I build in the piston are to get the check boxes on the R-ATP requirement filled. I do not think my single engine plane will adequately prepare me to fly something 10 times as heavy and 5 times as fast.

Everyone says teaching as a CFI will make me a better pilot, so I plan on doing that while earning hours in my own plane.

I would love to get turbine time or jet time (PIC or SIC) prior to becoming eligible for my R-ATP, its just not going to happen in the current market. There are quite a few low time people with a few more hours than me that will stick around to 1500 hours that would be a much better investment for these companies to hire when compared to me. Who wants to pay for a type rating or insure me at 300 hours and also let me pick what days I want to fly so I can keep my regular job that pays the bills all while I am just trying to get to the magic number that happens to be 500 hours less than a lot of other guys ? I know I wouldn't.

So that leaves me with CFI on my time and time building in my plane on my schedule. I know I am going to have shine a bit more in the interview and really push myself hard through training. I am ok with that. The whole point of my question was to see when I should start putting in applications to make sure I am not pushing to get my hours done and then sit for 4 months waiting for a class date.


I get the frustration with the guys that have been around for a while. I know it wasn't uncommon for someone to have 5000tt with 3000 PIC jet before the regionals would even look at them, and here I am coming with 1000 hours in a single engine piston trying for the same spot. It doesn't seem right, but thats the climate of today's market so I am taking advantage of the timing.