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Originally Posted by aviator1998
(Post 3328049)
What’s training pay?
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Originally Posted by CareerPivot
(Post 3327943)
I'm slated for ATP-CTP January 18th and ground on 2/1. I suspect I'll hear about a week in advance what my travel arrangements will be. I already have access to SWOL, but that may be because I'm a cadet.
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Originally Posted by aviator1998
(Post 3328051)
I completed the SWOL onboarding tasks. When will I receive full access? Non cadet.
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Originally Posted by MtnFlying
(Post 3326687)
I don't believe that, there will always be pilots available that meet minimums, just look how far out OO is filling classes right now (June currently on the CRJ).
What they won't have is fully staffed training departments, LCA, and training CA's to be able to QUALIFY those new hires in a timely fashion to offset the losses AND upgrade the current batch of eligible FO's to keep the line moving. That is going to be the choke point and downfall for a lot of airlines unless something is done to make the people in those three areas want to stay (i.e. start paying them better now). We are seeing the break between initial training completion and IOE growing right now and it will continue to get longer. How long before you have to restart training because they timed out before IOE could happen? For the most part, people will go where the pay is better if they are qualified - that is just the nature of the business. We've already seen one LCC start picking up FO's with no TPIC. More will follow in 2022.... If it gets bad enough, a couple of thing's will probably happen. Door #1: The Major's will be forced to absorb what they can and the entry level 121 jobs for pilots will become one with mainline. No more (cough, cough) flow or mega bonuses to entice people to stay. Door #2: There will be major restructuring and turmoil within the regional 121 world and 2-3 will be left standing when the dust settles. My SWAG - Republic and SkyWest split East and West as the feeders, with possibly MESA holding on to fill some gaps and Horizon for Alaska in the PNW, unless they get absorbed into mainline since they aren't that big to begin with. Door #3: The wildcards are the LCC's, ACMI, and Cargo carriers (Purple and Brown). How they handle the situation and where they fit into the puzzle while looking for new pilots is something they will have to wrestle with as well. The caboose is already off the tracks and shacking the tail pretty badly. How far will it get out of control before someone makes the first move to fix it. It's going to be a wild ride for sure the next 12-18 months. The last question is, who is going to blink first to start the chain of events that will shake up the industry. This is my opinion only, so take it for what it's worth. ;) |
Originally Posted by ItsJustUsLeft
(Post 3329887)
Does anyone else see the CTP course a complete 90% waste, a burden on mainly the regional liners, and a wait here for now pilots? Why do we put up with it? It is a huge speed bump in the road in a money making racket. It's like the rules just fall out the sky and we go, "OK, sure! What ever you say".
We could all tell you EXACTLY how many rotor and stator stages the engines had on each end of each spool, and could draw the fuel delivery system from memory. But how that engine would behave near or outside the envelope? Nada. Well we did talk about that a little, but only because somebody had just crashed a jet. This was an era when regionals (rapidly) were transitioning from turboprops to jets, and it showed. Yes, you'll get all of that in new-hire training but it will won't be the main event, you'll blow through some CBT's (or maybe your autoclicker will) because you're focused on memorizing profiles, lims, mem, and KV items. It exists because the regionals can't be trusted to cover it adequately. |
Originally Posted by ItsJustUsLeft
(Post 3329887)
Does anyone else see the CTP course a complete 90% waste, a burden on mainly the regional liners, and a wait here for now pilots? Why do we put up with it? It is a huge speed bump in the road in a money making racket. It's like the rules just fall out the sky and we go, "OK, sure! What ever you say".
The CTP course was written in blood. |
Originally Posted by ItsJustUsLeft
(Post 3329887)
Does anyone else see the CTP course a complete 90% waste, a burden on mainly the regional liners, and a wait here for now pilots? Why do we put up with it? It is a huge speed bump in the road in a money making racket. It's like the rules just fall out the sky and we go, "OK, sure! What ever you say".
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
(Post 3330011)
CTP exists because people died. Don’t take it lightly, it may save your life one day.
2) ctp course effectively addresses gaps in pilot training. Mmmmm. IDK |
Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 3330018)
1) ctp course exists because people died. TRUE
2) ctp course effectively addresses gaps in pilot training. Mmmmm. IDK |
OK fair enough. That is just what it seems looking from the outside. Seems like maybe the majors had a training transition that worked from turbo prop to jet. However, I would rather study meaningful aerodynamics over how many rotor and stator stages on each end of the spool.
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