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ZeroTT 11-22-2021 03:16 AM


Originally Posted by 510Club (Post 3325973)
What do you guys mean by survive 'this'? just the pilot shortage or what else is going on?

“pilot shortage” triggers a lot of people. There’s not really a pilot shortage. There are plenty of people who want to be regional FO’s. The problem is captains and especially LCA’s.

An airline cannot magically replace every LCA every three months. You can only make as many captains as you have people with 1000 hours.

skywest is the only regional that might survive that

RabidW0mbat 11-22-2021 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3326005)
“pilot shortage” triggers a lot of people. There’s not really a pilot shortage. There are plenty of people who want to be regional FO’s. The problem is captains and especially LCA’s.

An airline cannot magically replace every LCA every three months. You can only make as many captains as you have people with 1000 hours.

skywest is the only regional that might survive that

what are the odds someone who is currently a CA at their regional, watching it burn, would be able to upgrade fairly quickly at OO while they wait for the major / ULCC to call?

trip 11-22-2021 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 3326254)
what are the odds someone who is currently a CA at their regional, watching it burn, would be able to upgrade fairly quickly at OO while they wait for the major / ULCC to call?

Hold tight, everyone is going to get a call.

ZeroTT 11-22-2021 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 3326282)
Hold tight, everyone is going to get a call.

. Anyone who can do math can see what’s coming but it’s not here quite yet.

I wouldn’t make an unforced lateral move

amcnd 11-23-2021 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 3326254)
what are the odds someone who is currently a CA at their regional, watching it burn, would be able to upgrade fairly quickly at OO while they wait for the major / ULCC to call?

they sent a email out to all FO’s saying there are over 100 upgrade spots on the CRJ for january. Please put your bid in. It was under 2 years last bid. And with low TT newhires. I would bet upgrade drops to Newhires that have the time soon.

BigRedFlyer 11-23-2021 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3326407)
they sent a email out to all FO’s saying there are over 100 upgrade spots on the CRJ for january. Please put your bid in. It was under 2 years last bid. And with low TT newhires. I would bet upgrade drops to Newhires that have the time soon.

To clarify, there isn’t a shortage of FOs willing to upgrade. There’s a shortage of FOs willing to upgrade into the bases OO needs and live the dreaded ‘commute to regional reserve’ life.

There are currently *plenty* of folks with an upgrade bid in, just not a lot of them have the ANY at the end. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Utah 11-23-2021 08:43 AM

70 additional Captain openings for DTW, and another 30 or so for ORD on the CRJ. Plus, they'll need to backfill for this month's attrition and transfers. After downsizing DTW a while back now it's nearly doubling in size. (Which DL partner can't staff its flying?) CRJ captain pays a minimum of $75k a year and they are begging people to do it. And someone upgrading in January could easily break $100k in 2022.

This doesn't look good for CRJ to ERJ transitions in the spring.

ZeroTT 11-23-2021 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by BigRedFlyer (Post 3326445)
There are currently *plenty* of folks with an upgrade bid in

although hiring 300/month suggests that even 1000 people able to upgrade might not be plenty for long

domino 11-23-2021 10:34 AM

ZeroTT has it right. Skywest will be here in 10 years but it will be smaller. As airframes get replaced by mainline aircraft, (DL and UAL), and pilot retention becomes harder and harder, it will naturally shrink or be absorbed by a mainline carrier to keep pilots. Flight attendants will be the only real losers as they lose jobs in droves when the regionals shrink and disappear,

ZeroTT 11-23-2021 11:26 AM

Regional airlines are going to shrink but I expect skywest will grow. If Air Minnesota closes because it can only staff 30/50 CrJ-200’s… somebody can scoop up some of the leftovers. That someone is likely to be Skywest


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