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Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 3373605)
BOI and SLC just saw 50 captains each awarded. Crazy times. Zero ability to predict anything. But movement fast!!
the point is - are they pushing flying into domiciles that people want or is mainline shifting it around? |
Originally Posted by TFAYD
(Post 3373649)
the point is - are they pushing flying into domiciles that people want or is mainline shifting it around? More expensive for the company to buy seats and hotel rooms, but at least they have the manpower to cover the flying. Sucks for the pilot getting OBRed, but at least you don't need to worry about making your commute or paying for a crash pad, and you're getting paid per diem while sitting reserve. |
Originally Posted by herewego
(Post 3373666)
No, they're upgrading people into domiciles they want, then will Send them OBR (Out of Base Reserve) to the bases very few want, but has the flying.
More expensive for the company to buy seats and hotel rooms, but at least they have the manpower to cover the flying. Sucks for the pilot getting OBRed, but at least you don't need to worry about making your commute or paying for a crash pad, and you're getting paid per diem while sitting reserve. So if anyone's main reason not to upgrade is because they know commuting to reserve is the worst thing ever, this seems pretty good. I know we'll never see home basing in 121, I wish. But it's enough to make me think about maybe considering upgrade some day. Commuting to the worst schedule as a barely-lineholder in DTW as a new hire, vs guaranteed commute+DH credit toward guarantee and duty limits+a hotel, I see the latter as better. You'd just get abused to hell at home anyway. My reserve captains sure hate their life and I know quite a few that bid out to commute to a line. Now these guys at home get positive spaced to OBR |
Originally Posted by brocklee9000
(Post 3373671)
.how exactly does that suck for the OBRs?
Getting Stuck at the Wooley aint bad, but getting stuck at a red lion with only a cold breakfast is much more likely. Being home domiciled with a positive space seat to your OBR with a paid hotel and per diem is much better than commuting the day prior to a crash pad and commuting home the day after, but being a senior FO with a cush schedule has kept many from taking the upgrade. |
Originally Posted by herewego
(Post 3373686)
When you get OBRed every reserve block and not used is when it sucks. Rather than getting the good hotels near things to do, with decent Gyms, you get stuck in the lousy hotels near the airport without a fridge or microwave.
Getting Stuck at the Wooley aint bad, but getting stuck at a red lion with only a cold breakfast is much more likely. Being home domiciled with a positive space seat to your OBR with a paid hotel and per diem is much better than commuting the day prior to a crash pad and commuting home the day after, but being a senior FO with a cush schedule has kept many from taking the upgrade. But essentially what I’m getting at is fat stacking new captains in their domicile of choice, obviously signals they will just farm you out as needed, where things are the most on fire, and you’re not just going to sit in the hotel for 5 days. Instead of trying your 3rd commute and just praying you get used, you’ll get flown out, lodged, and used. I’m still clinging to my suddenly-amazing seniority in the right seat. We’ll see how it goes, but now that ULCCs are starting to call, every captain I know leaving for legacies, and most of my friends upgrading…let’s see what the next couple months hold. |
Originally Posted by brocklee9000
(Post 3373843)
I’m still clinging to my suddenly-amazing seniority in the right seat. We’ll see how it goes, but now that ULCCs are starting to call, every captain I know leaving for legacies, and most of my friends upgrading…let’s see what the next couple months hold.
All that whining aside, I'm not going back to the old job. No way. Just want to get started. I'm gonna need y'all to upgrade and stay :) |
Originally Posted by SuperFlyCFI
(Post 3373968)
This is the part that has me worried. It took me 5 years, gave up a good paying job, finally got to 1500, training starts in June (maybe). Everybody here says FOs and CAs are leaving left right and center. The new hire classes are huge. By the time I get done in September how long will the wait for IOE be? will there be enough LCAs? And reserve is going to be how long?
All that whining aside, I'm not going back to the old job. No way. Just want to get started. I'm gonna need y'all to upgrade and stay :) |
Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 3373970)
they are running LCA classes as we speak…
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Originally Posted by amcnd
(Post 3373970)
they are running LCA classes as we speak…
In all honesty I don't believe lacking LCAs is the main issue; it's our scheduling. I am currently waiting for CA IOE and on a daily basis I am seeing trips with LCAs in open time that are being assigned to FOs or broken up and split between reserve FOs. How does that make any sense? |
Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation
(Post 3373980)
The issue isn't that we aren't running LCA classes. The issue is that by the time those CAs have their Fed rides scheduled, half of the class has class dates at mainline carriers.
In all honesty I don't believe lacking LCAs is the main issue; it's our scheduling. I am currently waiting for CA IOE and on a daily basis I am seeing trips with LCAs in open time that are being assigned to FOs or broken up and split between reserve FOs. How does that make any sense? I agree. Then main issue is turnover in support staff at HDQ.. all new people in training scheduling, and it now falls under crew support not its own entity... That switch has made it very frustrating... |
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