Those aren’t lofty goals. Thats what i want to become alpa... we get 12% match right now. Yes DL/AA/AS have positive space deals.. I’ve had the free alpa stuff. Its like getting Dish network free for a year then you pay.. were a regional. Alpa would get us a “industry average” mediation contract after a few years of horrible lack of communication... sorry. Just calling out as I've seen it with alpa..

Nothing is free there fella. If this is what you think a union will bring you, I have some beach front property in North Dakota to sell you.

Do you honestly believe your management can afford to stonewall the pilots and applicants for a few years in this environment? (Not a rhetorical question)
If you guys went union, do you believe negotiations would yield a concessionary contract? Just getting marketing block or better would offset dues.

In my opinion, ALPA isn’t regional friendly. There are several regionals that have taken concessions with the same union that represents mainline at their side.

And legacies have also had concessionary contracts under ALPA. I would say it had to do more with the state of the industry at the time. Do you believe SAPA is a better than a real union? Again, I ask sincerely.

These conversations go round and round... with no closure. Worse then the TV show Lost.... this is as predictable as the weather channel coming on when you turn the hotel TV on... the sample size on this forum board is very small. Even the sapa forums have less then 1/4 the pilot group on it consistently..

Then you do not understand ALPAs framework. There is no centralized authority forcing each airline to do anything. It only provides tools to the individual MECs who negotiate for their best interest using their leverage.

National handles legislative affairs, national programs and things of this nature; many of which OO, APA and Teamsters all benefit from. National does not set the policy for any airline, it’s up to the individual airline and their negotiating capital.

only about 400 of 5000 pilots get this, over half get only 4% and about 900 get 0%

Your repetitious commitment to this tired line of individual MEC blah blah blah...is somewhat noteworthy. The overwhelming problem with it is that ALPA is sold....and it's right in it's name...as the "Air Line Pilots Association".....it's not sold to us as some individual, competitive, uniquely beneficial at each airline association. Not as a "regional" ALPA....just ALPA.

I am being told this sales package to Skywest pilots is mailed from ALPA national, not ALPA Skywest. So tell us....what portion of the 5000+ pilots x 2% each year will actually directly benefit any of these regional pilots? Why would ALPA national spend thousands of dollars to send sales packages to 5000 regional pilots? Gee....I wonder.

It's truly amazing that you continue to deny the direct conflict of interest in the SAME union representing pilots that vote contracts to outsource flying during the most profitable 10 years in airline history.

So as much as you want to continue to promote this "union", you can't dodge the fact that ALPA has no real interest in "representing" regional airline pilots beyond collecting their dues.

Don't buy it. It's a waste of your already crappy pay and derailed careers.

This sums up one of my long-standing reservations about ALPA at the regional level. That said I voted yes (barely) the last time, and would do it again today (not so barely).

You just need to understand what you're getting, and what you're not getting for your money (BTW dues were reduced very slightly last year).

You're not going to "fix" the regional system. You might improve some aspects of your little corner of it.

You're not joining some mythical fraternal brotherhood of pilots. Mainline pilots will not like you any more or less. The ones who resent you because their old regional lost flying to OO will find another reason, or just resent you anyway.

You're not joining a religion. You're just not.

You will contribute to overall advancements of the industry. Independent unions presumably do the same, perhaps to a lesser degree.

You might possibly gain some preferential hiring advantage at alpa majors, although to my knowledge that's been pretty weak sauce to date.


My other reservation ( a common carrier petition from XJT/ASA) has been overcome by events.