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trip 03-14-2020 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by BOLO170 (Post 2998286)
It’s a clause I’m certain. I’m sure all your contracts have a “Force Majeure” clause. I wouldn’t worry, unless this continues through the summer.

Exactly.
Force majeure

"chance occurrence, unavoidable accident",[1] is a common clause in contracts that essentially frees both parties from liability or obligation when an extraordinary event or circumstance beyond the control of the parties, such as a war, strike, riot, crime, or an event described by the legal term act of God (hurricane, flood, earthquake, volcanic eruption, etc.)

GearUpHeadDown 03-14-2020 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by BOLO170 (Post 2998286)
It’s a clause I’m certain. I’m sure all your contracts have a “Force Majeure” clause. I wouldn’t worry, unless this continues through the summer.

I don’t think this is going away by summer. I’m by no means a pessimist, but the virus already spread from Wuhan and is uncontained. As long as it’s still spreading, there’s lingering fear and no vaccine, not many are traveling for nonessential trips. Look at any toilet paper hoarding American and you’ll see that fear drives every decision they make.

The quickest (and deadliest) way to deal with this is through herd immunity. The UK might be planning this as we speak. The rest of the world is trying to slow it down to fight it in pieces. The problem with that, while less may die from it, the resolution gets pushed out farther.

E6BAV8R 03-19-2020 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by TimetoClimb (Post 2998068)
Out of curiosity do the scope clauses mandate regional fleet reductions concomitant with mainline reductions and in some specified ratio?

There is. I don't know about other Legacies, but I know American has a 1 year clause on "unforeseen circumstances" throughout the economy. American is actually running up against this right about now because of the MAX groundings. They will have to reduce capacity (I don't know the specific date when they will, but it is within the next few months).

shrsailplanes 03-20-2020 07:51 AM

Wow. 10 lines for FO’s in LAX this month when there used to be close to 60. Many bases have 0. I can’t even imagine how long it will take to get that flying back. I will be on reserve until I get furloughed. Flying my last trip starting today. Bummed out in a big way. This was a career change for me and it will be really hard if not impossible to get back to my old career. It’s gonna be minimum wage jobs with an ATP and a degree in engineering. Reality stinks.

UnderCenter 03-20-2020 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 3005029)
Wow. 10 lines for FO’s in LAX this month when there used to be close to 60. Many bases have 0. I can’t even imagine how long it will take to get that flying back. I will be on reserve until I get furloughed. Flying my last trip starting today. Bummed out in a big way. This was a career change for me and it will be really hard if not impossible to get back to my old career. It’s gonna be minimum wage jobs with an ATP and a degree in engineering. Reality stinks.

The reason there are bases with only reserve is because AA and Delta haven’t sent over the schedule package yet, not that there isn’t any flying. In order to comply with posting the bid by today, that had to make bases with only AA or Delta flying all reserve because they don’t have the pairing to build lines. Once they get the schedules from AA and Delta, I assume they will start assigning the trips to everyone. In looking at DEN and COS, it’s not as bad as I thought it would be, but I guess they could still cancel a lot of those flight who knows.

trip 03-20-2020 08:49 AM

I think SAPA and the company did a great job with the VTO and CPTO leave options. I'm interested in the paid 50 hrs off option.

amcnd 03-20-2020 08:51 AM

And the 30% min. Long Call Reserve

Highflyer35 03-20-2020 08:54 AM

I’m hearing from OO pilots that the April bid (delta side) includes voluntary one month paid leave at 50 hours credit or sit reserve for 67.5 hours credit. No furloughs. Given delta makes it sound like they’re on their final straw, the OO side sounds like they’re in good shape?

amcnd 03-20-2020 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Highflyer35 (Post 3005096)
I’m hearing from OO pilots that the April bid (delta side) includes voluntary one month paid leave at 50 hours credit or sit reserve for 67.5 hours credit. No furloughs. Given delta makes it sound like they’re on their final straw, the OO side sounds like they’re in good shape?


Doesn't have to do with Delta. They are offering 50hr paid month off keep all benefits ect...


(Delta hasn't provided flying data to build pairings yet.)

Highflyer35 03-20-2020 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3005102)
Doesn't have to do with Delta. They are offering 50hr paid month off keep all benefits ect...


(Delta hasn't provided flying data to build pairings yet.)

withought knowing how much flying there is for April, that sounds like a pretty generous deal to OO pilots.


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