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Utah 03-20-2020 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by overthrust (Post 3005187)
Personally, I try to work the minimum days/hours I can. When at work I do my job as asked. But I expect the company to bear the brunt of costs when need be. Not labor. And seniority should never be violated like it has been with this and repeatedly in recent years at Skywest.

Where the hell are you seeing seniority violated. These leave programs are going to be awarded by seniority. Unless they don't have enough takers, then it will be by inverse seniority for a paid 50 hours a month. They'll be plenty that put in for the paid 50 hours a month. You'd be an idiot not to if you are a commuter to a reserve only base next month.

And if you like to work min hours/days this should be great for you.

Seriously though, you are an A S S to advocate furloughs so you can keep a higher monthly credit.

CRJJ 03-20-2020 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Utah (Post 3005194)
Where the hell are you seeing seniority violated. These leave programs are going to be awarded by seniority. Unless they don't have enough takers, then it will be by inverse seniority for a paid 50 hours a month. They'll be plenty that put in for the paid 50 hours a month. You'd be an idiot not to if you are a commuter to a reserve only base next month.

And if you like to work min hours/days this should be great for you.

Seriously though, you are an A S S to advocate furloughs so you can keep a higher monthly credit.

100% A S S

I understand that seniority is everything in the airline industry, and on a normal basis it should be untouchable. But in a situation like this.....if you normally make 10, but now you're gonna make 5 so that someone you fly with can make another 5 instead of 0...where's the problem? Better to keep makingg 10 even if a fellow pilot makes 0? seriously?

captive apple 03-20-2020 11:57 AM

Boo overthrust!

overthrust 03-20-2020 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3005219)
100% A S S

I understand that seniority is everything in the airline industry, and on a normal basis it should be untouchable. But in a situation like this.....if you normally make 10, but now you're gonna make 5 so that someone you fly with can make another 5 instead of 0...where's the problem? Better to keep makingg 10 even if a fellow pilot makes 0? seriously?

I will be taking either 0 or 50 hours of pay for April. I have between 10-20 years at this company (giving a range just like the US senators who dumped their stock holdings). Because of unilateral decisions by the company and SAPA, there are 1-2 year pilots that will have more control over their schedule and more credit hours than me next month. Do you find this ok? I am fine with zero income through this. My problem is that I am being dictated to without any input or vote after being told for 10-20 years that it would work a certain way as defined in the Policy Manual.

Skyhawk121 03-20-2020 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by overthrust (Post 3005168)
I'm saying labor shouldn't be giving up anything in order to 'mitigate furloughs'. Instead entire domiciles are going on reserve. Reduction in line holder guarantee to 72. Reduction in reserve guarantee to 67. The 50 hour zero block offer can be reduced to 36 if ATC shuts down.

It should simply be monthly guarantee of 75. The company can offer various voluntary leaves. If that is not enough, furlough.

I don't even want to be in the same building as you if this is how you think, but I doubt you would share this sentiment face to face with your co-workers. Your lively hood is not the only one that matters. The partners are reducing our schedules, that is how we make money, you know that thing the company uses to pay us with. If we aren't making the same money, how is the company supposed to bare costs at current levels? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you are putting out more money than you are bringing in, it doesn't take that long to disappear like TSA and Compass. Try being a little compassionate, we all need jobs, those who don't need the money at the moment will probably take voluntary leaves. Furloughing is not a good situation for anyone, management or the pilot group.

STLPilotGod 03-20-2020 01:53 PM

Everyone should lighten up. What a guy thinks today might be the opposite of what he thinks tomorrow after a little debating goes on. There are lots of ways to see things here and they are all correct, and they are all wrong. Also, they will all change.

Flymeaway 03-20-2020 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by overthrust (Post 3005119)
Really? Everyone congratulating SAPA for a job well done? What a blatant disregard for seniority and 'policy'. People make decisions to stay or go based off of what is written in the PPM. Then when a situation occurs that would actually require the application of it, it gets pencil whipped to whatever the company desires. This should have been voluntary leave (including 50hr zero block months) followed by furloughs if necessary.

You're a real team player there Overthrust. This is why I like and chose SkyWest in the first place. We come together and tighten our belts to make sure our buddies aren't on the street unable to put food on the table. Fifty hours of pay to sit at home? Not even on reserve? How many other regionals are offering that? But nah...I want my 100 hours credit to buy that boat I've had my eye on! F everyone else! /eyeroll

captive apple 03-20-2020 01:58 PM

Don't forget that Trump Check.

TRUMP CHECK!

Turbosina 03-20-2020 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3005436)
Don't forget that Trump Check.

TRUMP CHECK!

You mean, the money the US Treasury will have to borrow, and then we repay over time through our taxes?

That's assuming they can find buyers for T-bills if the interest rate goes negative, which it may well do (see: Germany, Japan)...

Hawker445 03-20-2020 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by overthrust (Post 3005187)
Personally, I try to work the minimum days/hours I can. When at work I do my job as asked. But I expect the company to bear the brunt of costs when need be. Not labor. And seniority should never be violated like it has been with this and repeatedly in recent years at Skywest.


Seriously? The company you've been at "10-20' years. Can very well go bankrupt if they had the same attitude you do. You obviously don't give a rats ass about your fellow coworkers. Doesn't matter if they're below you.

And we all know you crusty seniors get max days off. You're still making x4 than 80% of those below you. You can stomach VTO for three months.


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