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Old 04-07-2022, 07:44 AM
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Whatís this place going to look like in a year? Will there be anyone left? Someone has a crystal ball around here donít they?
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Old 04-07-2022, 07:57 AM
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What are you talking about? We've only had 75 people leave...

....so far...


...this month....
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Old 04-07-2022, 08:03 AM
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What are you talking about? We've only had 75 people leave...

....so far...


...this month....
Right. Iím just wondering how this is going to play out. How the company will sustain itself if this attrition continues.

A recession may stop that.

I donít know.
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Old 04-07-2022, 10:02 AM
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Right. Iím just wondering how this is going to play out. How the company will sustain itself if this attrition continues.

A recession may stop that.

I donít know.
Like they said, shrink the operational side and grow the leasing. Except they probably havenít thought it through very much cause they arenít gonna be able to find anyone to lease to
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Hard to lease aircraft to airlines that canít staff also.. they will park CRJís until we can staff them and fix them. We need MX people and pilotsÖ Thats my guess on a fix..
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Old 04-07-2022, 01:34 PM
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Whatís this place going to look like in a year? Will there be anyone left? Someone has a crystal ball around here donít they?
One can only hope beyond hope that management are working out they need a MAJOR overhaul of pay and QoL and they need it immediately, not end of the year (or never as it seems to be)

Obviously none of us are privy to the internal finances or contract details of OO but surely just improving those two things will keep a lot more people (myself included) around for the 2 years minimum they want CAs to hang about before moving on or using that joke of a GPI program. From the outside it seems like a fairly simple solution.

If I was betting however, I get the feeling they are holding out for a possible economic downturn in 2023 where they would get the power back in their hands.
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Old 04-07-2022, 01:55 PM
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If I was betting however, I get the feeling they are holding out for a possible economic downturn in 2023 where they would get the power back in their hands.
I don't think waiting for a recession is a reasonable business plan.

That said, I'm sure all of the regional execs are praying for one.
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I don't think waiting for a recession is a reasonable business plan.

That said, I'm sure all of the regional execs are praying for one.
That is a fair point. Im just out of ideas why they are letting things fall apart so quickly when they have the power to alleviate the bleeding of pilots somewhat, literally all it takes is pay and life improvements and I guarantee you a fairly large number of pilots will be happier to wait their turn for GPI and you'll get the numbers of FOs willing to upgrade increase as well.

Granted retention issues are everywhere in the regional world, but if any regional has the resources to immediately improve pay and QoL it would be OO...yet they are sitting doing nothing for some odd reason. Im just out of ideas trying to work out what the game plan is anymore.
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You don't need a recession. Right now Delta, United, AA are at the table calling each other bluffs and looking to see who will fold first from the pain of their regionals. This is a measure of ego and balance sheets.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I don't think waiting for a recession is a reasonable business plan.

That said, I'm sure all of the regional execs are praying for one.
That may be their only hope. Even 500 121 hr FOs are becoming a hot commodity at the ULCCs. If this keeps up, the future career progression may well turn out to be CFI to ULCC to legacy. And the thought of that can only make legacy HR departments grab every regional CA they can get before they are all gone to another legacy - an action which will only increase the steepness of the graveyard spiralÖ

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