Miko

The “don’t hire anyone who has ever worked for OO and left” scenario I believe would fall under what is colloquially known as blacklisting, which is illegal. I would assume that is not occurring, because it would be illegal. I’m not by any stretch an attorney or legal expert though, so take that into account.

Excargodog

The Big Three have an obligation of due diligence to their stockholders. Even to their own employees their obligations are limited to those imposed by state and federal laws and by their own contracts with their employee groups. Obligations to employees of subcontractors? Not so much.

So they can hire employees away from their own subcontractors and cripple their own feed that is an integral part of the hub and spoke model, or they can hire from the ULCCs, Alaska, and Jet Blue, and cripple their competitors. What do you THINK they are going to do?

Until the Big Three can’t find qualified applicants from other sources, they will slow roll hiring from other sources to maintain their feed. It ain’t personal, it’s just business.

Boredflyguy

Maybe, but if you read my post you'd see the "past and present," so whats being said is that OO is pressuring them to not hire anyone with OO on their resume from any LCC or non mainline, which goes from good business to shady probably illegal business practices.

Excargodog

Cite the law being broken.

Boredflyguy

I'm a pilot not a lawyer, hence the word "probably." But if I had to guess, I'd have to say anti-trust laws. As someone said before, another airline had to pay millions in fees for doing something exactly like this, so maybe I'm onto something.

uboatdriver

I'm no lawyer myself, but this probably belongs here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-T...ust_Litigation

amcnd

All im saying is they could make a path. The only way to “xyZ” is through a partner flightschool - partner regional - upgrade- stay “x” years - move to “xyz”. Sort of already doing this with propel, and aviate. Just need to road block the rest..

Excargodog

Right. So who you going to sue and who is going to do it?

A class action against the Big Three? Who you then want to hire you? Who hire by some super secret formula involving Hogan testing and MMPIs and even more subjective hiring boards? How is THAT going to work out?


And a pilot group that doesn’t even unionize is somehow going to put together and support a huge class action suit against the very companies they desire to work for? Even assuming you could find a law firm that would be willing to take the case on contingency - and that’s probably a long shot - how long is that going to take?

Note the DOJ did not penalize the companies involved, just made them agree not to do it for the subsequent five years while the civil case dragged out for four more years. What do you think your chances would be of getting hired at the Big Three during that four years? Or even after?

And the Big Three legal department would be making the case that they were never in competition with Skywest, they were just subcontracting THEIR FLYING to Skywest, that they were indirectly PROVIDING Skywest pilots with jobs.

i don’t like your chances in a legal fight.

mkitrn

I’m pretty sure the u/LCCs would really really appreciate this model haha. Helps them take routes legacies can’t staff.

Flyweight

NK just hired 3 helo guys with 1500 hours between their type ride and IOE. To all you lurking, its worth the effort to update those apps. Airbus > any RJ, plus you're out of the mainline feed.