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Old 11-10-2022 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Not sarcasm, my error. What I meant to say was it was good news for Embraer that their orders are increasing for the Larger E-2 aircraft. Those are also very much over scope for the US regional market but are starting to become successful internationally as alternatives to the smaller Airbus offerings. Orders for the 190-E2 and the larger 195-E2 are picking up, perhaps aided by Airbus’ supply chain problems with the A220.

https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/3...022-deliveries

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ir-2022-10-06/
Yes the 190 series are a whole different animal, and in common use overseas. Not so much in the US, due to falling right into that scope seam.

Both Embraer and Mitsubishi planned their 70 seat development programs on the premise that the US scope "problem" would be "solved" by the time they got to market, so that US regionals would operate them. My response to that would violate the forum rules, and I'm glad the programs failed.
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Old 11-10-2022 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes the 190 series are a whole different animal, and in common use overseas. Not so much in the US, due to falling right into that scope seam.

Both Embraer and Mitsubishi planned their 70 seat development programs on the premise that the US scope "problem" would be "solved" by the time they got to market, so that US regionals would operate them. My response to that would violate the forum rules, and I'm glad the programs failed.
Also, I really think that if the 1968 Frankenstein that keeps ticking in its Max variant weren't so cheap, a US legacy carrier would have placed an E2-195 order by now to fill this growing ~120 seat capacity void at a lower CASM than the regionals are offering. Easy transition when they bring the E175s in house, if necessary...

But somehow Boeing keeps winning the fleet and type commonality battle by getting orders for it's "best of the 1960s" clapped-out, maxed-out special...
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Old 11-11-2022 | 04:24 AM
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Also, I really think that if the 1968 Frankenstein that keeps ticking in its Max variant weren't so cheap, a US legacy carrier would have placed an E2-195 order by now to fill this growing ~120 seat capacity void at a lower CASM than the regionals are offering. Easy transition when they bring the E175s in house, if necessary...

But somehow Boeing keeps winning the fleet and type commonality battle by getting orders for it's "best of the 1960s" clapped-out, maxed-out special...
I think it's the fact that the ~120 seat range is where the ERJ family stops. Obviously not so for A3xx and B737 families.

More cumbersome to manage multiple fleet types.
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Old 11-11-2022 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
Also, I really think that if the 1968 Frankenstein that keeps ticking in its Max variant weren't so cheap, a US legacy carrier would have placed an E2-195 order by now to fill this growing ~120 seat capacity void at a lower CASM than the regionals are offering. Easy transition when they bring the E175s in house, if necessary...

But somehow Boeing keeps winning the fleet and type commonality battle by getting orders for it's "best of the 1960s" clapped-out, maxed-out special...
That's a reasonable hypothesis. The E2 looks similar to the 220 which seems to be commercially successful in the US. Certainly it would make even more sense with 175s on the same certificate. But if you can get 2 maxes for the cost of one E2 to help Boeing save face...
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