flykin

Hello fellow aviators, I'm in a difficult position and could use some guidance.

I interviewed last week and I thought it went really well! Maybe 80-90% of the questions I was able to answer confidently and correctly. I was under the impression that if you get an interview invite from a regional, you basically already have the job; you just have to make sure you don't change their mind. So now I am wondering what I could've done that changed their mind? Some information about me: I am R-ATP eligible and I work as a CFI. The only hours I need for minimums is 28 more hours of XC. That's it!
I want to email the recruiter and ask for feedback, but this is my first airline interview and I don't know what the proper etiquette is for an email of this nature. I also would like to ask them when, or if, I get my second chance.

One thing is for sure, I can not stand this instructing gig any longer. I want to make progress in my career and make some money finally. The mental toll is increasing. I didn't really have a plan B.. I got another interview invite from Air Wisconsin the same day SkyWest sent me theirs (in March). But, I never replied to AW and I don't really want to since they're not offering competitive pay. Their pay is not a livable wage for me with all my loan repayments and living expenses.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I just want to build turbine time and make a livable wage while at it. What do I do?

P.S. I already applied to 11 other airlines. Envoy said I didn't meet their minimum hours. Republic.. well, they tried to promote that scam where you work for their 135 partner. Not a word from any of the others.

EskimoJet

60 to 80k not enough? Plus 73k sign on bonus? Should me more than enough to cover either most of your loans or bridge gap between FO and Capt pay. Good luck ever making the transition from regional to mainline.

Get your finances in order. Get a roomate.

Crjdeuce

See if air whisky will still take you, get the type then hop to a LCC that has a domicile near you

QRH Bingo

Oh lordy, here we go again. This comes off with quite the sense of entitlement. But you asked for advice...

Here's problem number 1. That's quite arrogant, even in this market. You never go into an interview believing you have the job. Ask Hillary how that worked out in 2016.

You still do not meet the requirements for an ATP, That's it!
You obviously do not understand supply/demand nor how the market for entry level experience has changed over this past year. You are at the very bottom, even if you are applying for what is essentially an entry level job. You're short on required time; fix that first. You are competing against applicants who have the hours for an unrestricted ATP and the company does not need to worry about your INDOC date coming and you still do not meet the mins because you're still 1 hour short and need to push back your start date.

Why would you not have a plan B? That is a hard lesson learned I hope. You should always have multiple back up plans... Sometimes in life you gotta work the crap jobs for longer than you initially expected. Builds character and perspective when you do land that future job.

Again, why would you ignore another opportunity? I'm seeing a trend here.
Is their pay better than your current pay instructing? If so, then it's a step up and you're viewing it all wrong. What about looking into part 135 opportunities? Good pay there, and you're likely more competitive for some FO slots out there. It also helps build quality experience and makes a great transition into 121 ops.

Again, you're on the bottom end for applicants, they will reach out when you are closer to what they are looking for or have already gone thru all the other applications above you. How desperate are you? That is precisely what Republic is banking on.

Stop complaining and stop expecting job opportunities to fall in your lap.

Brickfire

Make sure you’re on an income-driven repayment plan if possible

Utah

LOL, you were only able to answer 80-90% of the questions correctly and don't understand why you didn't get the job. Your attitude sucks.

Have you applied at Mesa?

flykin

Yes you're right, but on AviationInterviews, there was a bunch of people hired with even less hours than me! Thank you for the solid advice.

Also with AW, if I accept the bonuses, wouldn't that lock me into a X year contract with them? That's how it works at the AA wholly owneds. I'd like to use them for ATP-CTP, a practically useless CRJ200 Type, and jump ship to an ULCC/LCC.



and sorry if I came off arrogant or entitled, I really was expecting a job offer and I was very excited to move up in my career.

Utah

LOL. You have to be trolling.

From your previous post you have a COUPLE checkride failures as well.

Telling everyone that you immediately want to jump ship -- great idea.

Here's a little hint - management and the recruiters read these forums. They know exactly who you are. It's probably a good idea to delete all of your posts and focus on other companies at this point.

RTROAjax

Wow. Openly admitting you just want to "use" companies for ATP/CTP and a "useless CRJ200 Type" and then immediately "jump ship". The degree to which you are blind to your own moral ineptitude is truly magnificent. Look elsewhere for a job.

And if it's true that you have multiple checkride failures, are below published minimums, and got a self-graded 80% on your interview, it's astonishing you would come here and complain. Hopefully Air Whisky doesn't peruse this side of the forums, otherwise you're likely already flagged. SEEYA

QRH Bingo

After I clicked that submit button I actually began to wonder if maybe I misinterpreted your post, and my words were a bit too harsh... Actually, my real concern was that I might have sounded too much like Mr. Burke! Nope, I was spot on.

But, But, But... They said!
Yes, companies can and do, hire individuals who do not meet the required minimums with the expectation that by the time INDOC starts, they will. Just because it happened to someone else does not mean it shall be offered to you. You just happened to find out how the real world works and that there just might be others out there seeking the same position who have better qualifications than you. Or, at least performed better in their interview.

Wow, that's rich!
1) Your first type rating is not "useless". Great perspective.
2) Openly admitting your desire to "use" (wait, exploit) a regional airline to obtain an ATP and leave, is not wise. And frankly, maybe SkyWest saw right through your BS in the interview. Just because you hear and see stories of others successfully doing this, doesn't mean you will be successful. Sure, there has been plenty of debate over this tactic and that airlines have no respect for the employee so why should the employee have respect for the airline; "hire until they fire". I still hold the opinion that, barring any extenuating circumstances, you should give a good ole college try with a minimum of 12 months. Besides, you are exactly why airlines are implementing these "training contracts". You can thank those ahead of you for that.

If true, then you didn't exactly tell the entire story and left out pertinent information that would be needed by those truly offering advice.

Here is my honest advice, if you made it this far down in my responses and choose to listen.
1) Stop talking.
2) Finish up those needed XC hours ASAP so that you actually, and currently, meet R-ATP minimums. Hopefully a regional will then call you.
3) Part 135. This could be a valuable step for you to gain experience and show you can complete a structured training program.