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01-30-2013 | 07:05 AM

#1841

rickair7777

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Originally Posted by Paid2fly

So safety, quality, and performance make no difference in the equation whatsoever?

Quality, no.

Performance, not nearly as much as cost.

Safety maybe. If you have a major accident AND they happen to be downsizing their regional fleet at the time, they will pull the safety clause handle and terminate your contract. But if you're cheap and they need the fleet type you have, they'll probably look the other way.

01-30-2013 | 11:32 AM

#1842

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

Sadly, I'm not sure about the safety aspect either. I think Rickair's comment is spot on: ""But if you're cheap and they need the fleet type you have, they'll probably look the other way"".

There's a rather ugly thread on the cargo forum about China Southern (a Delta code shares partner). Here's a link: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ont-deice.html

My personal opinion is if there were a bad accident and lawyers were able to come after the US mainline code share partner for damages in a big way then perhaps safety would get the consideration it deserves.

01-30-2013 | 01:26 PM

#1843

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From: Frenchy plane/ Left

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Originally Posted by Paid2fly

So safety, quality, and performance make no difference in the equation whatsoever?

If quality were part of the equation no mainline airline would EVER allow Hulas to do ANY flying. Yet, they do.

01-30-2013 | 02:36 PM

#1844

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From: B757/767

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Originally Posted by pause

If quality were part of the equation no mainline airline would EVER allow Hulas to do ANY flying. Yet, they do.

Or Jonathan Ornstein.

01-30-2013 | 04:08 PM

#1845

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Originally Posted by johnso29

Or Jonathan Ornstein.

Remind me who had the highest DCI promoter score in 2008 when Freedom got shut down. Facts are mean!

01-30-2013 | 04:34 PM

#1846

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From: Frenchy plane/ Left

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Originally Posted by SailorJerry

Remind me who had the highest DCI promoter score in 2008 when Freedom got shut down. Facts are mean!

Promoter score is about brand loyalty. Customers have no choice to fly Mesa, SkyWest, Gojet, Trans States, ExpressJet etc..

01-30-2013 | 04:36 PM

#1847

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Originally Posted by SailorJerry

Remind me who had the highest DCI promoter score in 2008 when Freedom got shut down. Facts are mean!

JO runs a terrible product. That doesn't mean the pilots suck. My statement wasn't intended a jab at the pilot group. They can work with only what they're given by management.

01-30-2013 | 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29

JO runs a terrible product. That doesn't mean the pilots suck. My statement wasn't intended a jab at the pilot group. They can work with only what they're given by management.

Same with Hulie. I work with a lot of former Mesa pilots. Good folks. I also work with a lot of former Trans States & GoJet pilots. Good folks.

01-30-2013 | 08:29 PM

#1849

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Originally Posted by pitch mode

As far as the performance part,using CRJ's that hit MZFW or kicking off pax/denying jumpseaters because you have an alternate and 60 bags, then I guess not