Leave eagle for skywest?
03-30-2012 | 03:39 PM
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Too much sugar for me though, I do it for the free peanuts. 
03-30-2012 | 06:29 PM
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I find your posting juvenile but in order to set the record straight I dank my fair share early on in the career with SkyWest, but I quit a long time ago. Those who know me will tell you I don't drink this flavor of Kool-Aid anymore. I’m usually the one spiking the bowl i.e. “Fight Club.”
Not sure who you fly for but I'm a SkyWest Captain and I’ll admit SkyWest is the "fastest kid at the special Olympic,” but regardless of how you view them they are still in the Special Olympics (regionals). I have no desire to remain at this or another regional but since mainlines not hiring I sure am glad I’m here and not somewhere else.
SkyWest has been very good to me, for now.
Not sure who you fly for but I'm a SkyWest Captain and I’ll admit SkyWest is the "fastest kid at the special Olympic,” but regardless of how you view them they are still in the Special Olympics (regionals). I have no desire to remain at this or another regional but since mainlines not hiring I sure am glad I’m here and not somewhere else.
SkyWest has been very good to me, for now.
03-30-2012 | 07:59 PM
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I would choose expressjet over skywest. Skywest is in free fall, no cba, no protection, horrible work rules. At xjt you can get better pay, more work rules, protection and a soon to be flow with ual which skywest will not be a part of because of lack of union. Only thing better at skywest are the bases. They just added "ready reserve for all" so that's more erosion. Even that is changing as well, xjt took almost all the ord flying, is doing 80 deps out of den compared to the 120 that's skw does and next month xjt starts flying out of lax.
03-30-2012 | 10:44 PM
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I would choose expressjet over skywest. Skywest is in free fall, no cba, no protection, horrible work rules. At xjt you can get better pay, more work rules, protection and a soon to be flow with ual which skywest will not be a part of because of lack of union. Only thing better at skywest are the bases. They just added "ready reserve for all" so that's more erosion. Even that is changing as well, xjt took almost all the ord flying, is doing 80 deps out of den compared to the 120 that's skw does and next month xjt starts flying out of lax.
03-31-2012 | 03:44 AM
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I would choose expressjet over skywest. Skywest is in free fall, no cba, no protection, horrible work rules. At xjt you can get better pay, more work rules, protection and a soon to be flow with ual which skywest will not be a part of because of lack of union. Only thing better at skywest are the bases. They just added "ready reserve for all" so that's more erosion. Even that is changing as well, xjt took almost all the ord flying, is doing 80 deps out of den compared to the 120 that's skw does and next month xjt starts flying out of lax.
03-31-2012 | 04:23 AM
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After only a year at Eagle, I want to say you would be better off going to SKYW. Lots of money in the bank, and pretty solid management. Also long term flying agreements.
Unfortunately you won't have a union or contract.
Also, you need to be very careful not to become like all the other SKYW Kool-Aid drinkers. Comments like "XJT/ASA are competition for them" and crap like that. You will become a part of the problem with the industry and not a part of the solution.
Good luck and let us know how it goes! If you haven't interviewed yet you may as well knock that out so that you actually have a choice to make.
03-31-2012 | 08:17 AM
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I would choose expressjet over skywest. Skywest is in free fall, no cba, no protection, horrible work rules. At xjt you can get better pay, more work rules, protection and a soon to be flow with ual which skywest will not be a part of because of lack of union. Only thing better at skywest are the bases. They just added "ready reserve for all" so that's more erosion. Even that is changing as well, xjt took almost all the ord flying, is doing 80 deps out of den compared to the 120 that's skw does and next month xjt starts flying out of lax.
SkyWest is the only part of Inc. making money whereas XJT's sinking the ship. Our work rules are well above industry standard and although we have no union you have to be a really F-up with a long record of doing so to be terminated. The "ready reserve for all" is completely false and yes our ORD operations have been reduced by 50 lines (180ish to 130ish off peak, that’s where it will stay) we picked up 80 lines of flying in IAH (from XJT which will increase) plus flying out of CLE/IAD and almost 90 in MSP with flying in DTW/CVG/MEM plus all the new Alaska and US Airways flying (which will expand). Our DEN operations have been reduced but our operations have been dramatically increased in LAX and SFO. Overall we have added almost 500 pilots over the last 12+ months (still short staffed) and continue to grow and expand.
Again, this guys a troll and nothing more, who's looking for nothing more than to flame the historically exceptional company of SkyWest. As I said before SkyWest Airlines is the only part of SkyWest Inc. that's making money. I respect almost all L-ASA/L-XJT pilots with exception to this guy and I wish to God we had never purchased XJT because they were the ones free falling and we bailed them out. Now bleeding money at a rate greater than what SkyWest Airlines and cover.
Best of luck to all the L-ASA pilots who will have to deal with this guy.
03-31-2012 | 08:29 AM
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Pay this guy no attention, he's a troll!
SkyWest is the only part of Inc. making money whereas XJT's sinking the ship. Our work rules are well above industry standard and although we have no union you have to be a really F-up with a long record of doing so to be terminated. The "ready reserve for all" is completely false and yes our ORD operations have been reduced by 50 lines (180ish to 130ish off peak, that’s where it will stay) we picked up 80 lines of flying in IAH (from XJT which will increase) plus flying out of CLE/IAD and almost 90 in MSP with flying in DTW/CVG/MEM plus all the new Alaska and US Airways flying (which will expand). Our DEN operations have been reduced but our operations have been dramatically increased in LAX and SFO. Overall we have added almost 500 pilots over the last 12+ months (still short staffed) and continue to grow and expand.
Again, this guys a troll and nothing more, who's looking for nothing more than to flame the historically exceptional company of SkyWest. As I said before SkyWest Airlines is the only part of SkyWest Inc. that's making money. I respect almost all L-ASA/L-XJT pilots with exception to this guy and I wish to God we had never purchased XJT because they were the ones free falling and we bailed them out. Now bleeding money at a rate greater than what SkyWest Airlines and cover.
Best of luck to all the L-ASA pilots who will have to deal with this guy.
SkyWest is the only part of Inc. making money whereas XJT's sinking the ship. Our work rules are well above industry standard and although we have no union you have to be a really F-up with a long record of doing so to be terminated. The "ready reserve for all" is completely false and yes our ORD operations have been reduced by 50 lines (180ish to 130ish off peak, that’s where it will stay) we picked up 80 lines of flying in IAH (from XJT which will increase) plus flying out of CLE/IAD and almost 90 in MSP with flying in DTW/CVG/MEM plus all the new Alaska and US Airways flying (which will expand). Our DEN operations have been reduced but our operations have been dramatically increased in LAX and SFO. Overall we have added almost 500 pilots over the last 12+ months (still short staffed) and continue to grow and expand.
Again, this guys a troll and nothing more, who's looking for nothing more than to flame the historically exceptional company of SkyWest. As I said before SkyWest Airlines is the only part of SkyWest Inc. that's making money. I respect almost all L-ASA/L-XJT pilots with exception to this guy and I wish to God we had never purchased XJT because they were the ones free falling and we bailed them out. Now bleeding money at a rate greater than what SkyWest Airlines and cover.
Best of luck to all the L-ASA pilots who will have to deal with this guy.
Those who want Alaska, SWA or FedEx will get it within the next 3-5 years and over the next 3-5 years life here at SkyWest will deteriorate just as it has over the last 3-5. Those on the fence will become very motivated to leave and in the end I think the number of lifers at SkyWest will be less than 25%, probably closer to 20%.
Just curious, how long have you been here?
Just curious, how long have you been here?
5 years ago I would have said over 50%, today I'd say 25% and I expect that number to keep decreasing. Remember that they closed 7 domiciles in the last 3 years and it's looking like a few more will close. That decreases the number of lifers, especially since the majority of these closures are west coast.
The closures weren't from loss of flying but SkyWest trying to decrease outstation basing in order to run a leaner airline. This is causing a lot to think about leaving.
The closures weren't from loss of flying but SkyWest trying to decrease outstation basing in order to run a leaner airline. This is causing a lot to think about leaving.
To clear things up, SkyWest Inc. is losing money but SkyWest Airlines is making money. We are the only profitable part if this group. As for relaxing scope, that will work in SkyWest and others favor more than Eagles. Also the LARGE majority of our contracts with UAL and DAL don't expire until 2017 and 2020 respectfully.
Yes we have a lot of 50 seaters but far less than many of our competitors and yes ASA/XJT's a competitor to SkyWest Airlines. Currently all of our aircraft including the 50’s are under long term contracts; if our partners want them gone they will have to trade the ships for others, wait for the contracts to expire or pay HUGE penalties. UAL’s been trading our 50’s for 70’s and every time they do they increase the length of the contract. Another fact is all of our aircraft are ours unlike many of our competitors and we also own the rights to our gates in SLC and many in ATL. This makes replacing us more difficult so as long as our cost remains competitive SkyWest will fly. But if our competitors file BK and decrease their cost then SkyWest will find itself facing a judgment day.
Yes we have a lot of 50 seaters but far less than many of our competitors and yes ASA/XJT's a competitor to SkyWest Airlines. Currently all of our aircraft including the 50’s are under long term contracts; if our partners want them gone they will have to trade the ships for others, wait for the contracts to expire or pay HUGE penalties. UAL’s been trading our 50’s for 70’s and every time they do they increase the length of the contract. Another fact is all of our aircraft are ours unlike many of our competitors and we also own the rights to our gates in SLC and many in ATL. This makes replacing us more difficult so as long as our cost remains competitive SkyWest will fly. But if our competitors file BK and decrease their cost then SkyWest will find itself facing a judgment day.
I think even with you having a positive attitude, and trust me I am not bashing you by all means, you are starting to see the SKW is becoming more like the other regionals. A few months ago you guys receive memos from the company stating that you were losing money mainly because of longevity and training expenses. It sounds like the same tune that is being played at Eagle and other regionals. You guys do/did have a good thing going but by your own accounts things are deteriorating rather fast and it's just a matter of time before SKW has to become just like the other regionals to be able to compete. Having money in the bank doesn't mean anything, look at the AMR BK, on paper they are loosing money while increasing their cash on hand. I hope you guys continue a good operation but the odds are against you!
03-31-2012 | 12:59 PM
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I think even with you having a positive attitude, and trust me I am not bashing you by all means, you are starting to see the SKW is becoming more like the other regionals. A few months ago you guys receive memos from the company stating that you were losing money mainly because of longevity and training expenses. It sounds like the same tune that is being played at Eagle and other regionals. You guys do/did have a good thing going but by your own accounts things are deteriorating rather fast and it's just a matter of time before SKW has to become just like the other regionals to be able to compete. Having money in the bank doesn't mean anything, look at the AMR BK, on paper they are loosing money while increasing their cash on hand. I hope you guys continue a good operation but the odds are against you!
I think even with you having a positive attitude, and trust me I am not bashing you by all means, you are starting to see the SKW is becoming more like the other regionals. A few months ago you guys receive memos from the company stating that you were losing money mainly because of longevity and training expenses. It sounds like the same tune that is being played at Eagle and other regionals. You guys do/did have a good thing going but by your own accounts things are deteriorating rather fast and it's just a matter of time before SKW has to become just like the other regionals to be able to compete. Having money in the bank doesn't mean anything, look at the AMR BK, on paper they are loosing money while increasing their cash on hand. I hope you guys continue a good operation but the odds are against you!
XJT’s dragging SkyWest Inc. into the red and although SkyWest Airlines is till turning a profit the question is “how long can they and will they keep feeding the problem?” It’s obvious XJT’s not willing to assist and work together to turn this ship around; they seem to be content in watching it sink. Which that’s what XJT’s been doing since 06, bleeding and sinking, and they think there’s nothing wrong.
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