Leave eagle for skywest?
03-31-2012 | 01:10 PM
#41
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XJT’s dragging SkyWest Inc. into the red and although SkyWest Airlines is till turning a profit the question is “how long can they and will they keep feeding the problem?” It’s obvious XJT’s not willing to assist and work together to turn this ship around; they seem to be content in watching it sink. Which that’s what XJT’s been doing since 06, bleeding and sinking, and they think there’s nothing wrong.
You do realize that there are significant costs to merging companies and that it often takes quite some time before efficiencies are realized, right? Either Skywest's management knew what they were doing and there were significant economies of scale to be taken advantage of, or they didn't and are simply poor businessmen. Skywest is running the show now, so it's up to you guys to implement whatever plans you thought you had for us by acquiring our airline. If it doesn't work, then maybe your management made a bad decision.
But in the meantime, how can we assist you?
03-31-2012 | 02:10 PM
#42
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From: AA Airbus
Expressjet the pilots or Expressjet management isn't "willing to assist?" What form of assistance would you like? Are you talking legacy Expressjet or the new combined XJT?
You do realize that there are significant costs to merging companies and that it often takes quite some time before efficiencies are realized, right? Either Skywest's management knew what they were doing and there were significant economies of scale to be taken advantage of, or they didn't and are simply poor businessmen. Skywest is running the show now, so it's up to you guys to implement whatever plans you thought you had for us by acquiring our airline. If it doesn't work, then maybe your management made a bad decision.
But in the meantime, how can we assist you?
You do realize that there are significant costs to merging companies and that it often takes quite some time before efficiencies are realized, right? Either Skywest's management knew what they were doing and there were significant economies of scale to be taken advantage of, or they didn't and are simply poor businessmen. Skywest is running the show now, so it's up to you guys to implement whatever plans you thought you had for us by acquiring our airline. If it doesn't work, then maybe your management made a bad decision.
But in the meantime, how can we assist you?
03-31-2012 | 02:40 PM
#43
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Pay rates look about the same. Vacation and per diem are not too far off. So what's your problem? Do you feel our work rules are making our side unprofitable? Anyway, it seems like you want us to take pay cuts to make sure your regional career is as stable and possible. I understand where you are coming from. But we simply want what everyone wants - improved qol.
By the way, our financials have been steadily improving. Even your management expects profitability this year. We are doing fine. Skywest has plenty of cash. Relax, we are not going to bankrupt you. As we continue integrating with ASA we should only get more efficient.
03-31-2012 | 02:52 PM
#44
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Pay this guy no attention, he's a troll!
SkyWest is the only part of Inc. making money whereas XJT's sinking the ship. Our work rules are well above industry standard and although we have no union you have to be a really F-up with a long record of doing so to be terminated. The "ready reserve for all" is completely false and yes our ORD operations have been reduced by 50 lines (180ish to 130ish off peak, that’s where it will stay) we picked up 80 lines of flying in IAH (from XJT which will increase) plus flying out of CLE/IAD and almost 90 in MSP with flying in DTW/CVG/MEM plus all the new Alaska and US Airways flying (which will expand). Our DEN operations have been reduced but our operations have been dramatically increased in LAX and SFO. Overall we have added almost 500 pilots over the last 12+ months (still short staffed) and continue to grow and expand.
Again, this guys a troll and nothing more, who's looking for nothing more than to flame the historically exceptional company of SkyWest. As I said before SkyWest Airlines is the only part of SkyWest Inc. that's making money. I respect almost all L-ASA/L-XJT pilots with exception to this guy and I wish to God we had never purchased XJT because they were the ones free falling and we bailed them out. Now bleeding money at a rate greater than what SkyWest Airlines and cover.
Best of luck to all the L-ASA pilots who will have to deal with this guy.
SkyWest is the only part of Inc. making money whereas XJT's sinking the ship. Our work rules are well above industry standard and although we have no union you have to be a really F-up with a long record of doing so to be terminated. The "ready reserve for all" is completely false and yes our ORD operations have been reduced by 50 lines (180ish to 130ish off peak, that’s where it will stay) we picked up 80 lines of flying in IAH (from XJT which will increase) plus flying out of CLE/IAD and almost 90 in MSP with flying in DTW/CVG/MEM plus all the new Alaska and US Airways flying (which will expand). Our DEN operations have been reduced but our operations have been dramatically increased in LAX and SFO. Overall we have added almost 500 pilots over the last 12+ months (still short staffed) and continue to grow and expand.
Again, this guys a troll and nothing more, who's looking for nothing more than to flame the historically exceptional company of SkyWest. As I said before SkyWest Airlines is the only part of SkyWest Inc. that's making money. I respect almost all L-ASA/L-XJT pilots with exception to this guy and I wish to God we had never purchased XJT because they were the ones free falling and we bailed them out. Now bleeding money at a rate greater than what SkyWest Airlines and cover.
Best of luck to all the L-ASA pilots who will have to deal with this guy.
Fact. Skywest only gets vacation they bid per day, Pbs will bid around those days. Of you take three vacation days pbs cab put a trip infront and behind it.
Fact. Skywest pilots have to sit ready at the airport inside the footprint of a canceled turn.
Fact. Skywest fires more people than any 121 airline in America.
Fact. Skywest pilots only get paid a base crj rate and an override only when they fly a 70.
03-31-2012 | 03:09 PM
#45
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Dont call me a troll. You just snort the KoolAid powder right out of the box.
Fact. Skywest only gets vacation they bid per day, Pbs will bid around those days. Of you take three vacation days pbs cab put a trip infront and behind it.
Fact. Skywest pilots have to sit ready at the airport inside the footprint of a canceled turn.
Fact. Skywest fires more people than any 121 airline in America.
Fact. Skywest pilots only get paid a base crj rate and an override only when they fly a 70.
Fact. Skywest only gets vacation they bid per day, Pbs will bid around those days. Of you take three vacation days pbs cab put a trip infront and behind it.
Fact. Skywest pilots have to sit ready at the airport inside the footprint of a canceled turn.
Fact. Skywest fires more people than any 121 airline in America.
Fact. Skywest pilots only get paid a base crj rate and an override only when they fly a 70.
So what`s your point man? If you are trying to prove you are not a troll by posting 4 "facts" about SKW, (i would like to see your data on #3) i think you`re unsuccessful. So troll away man, if that`s what makes you happy
BTW: Probably best to proof read your post so your spelling doesn`t read like a 3rd grader.
03-31-2012 | 05:18 PM
#46
Rollin'
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From: AA Airbus
Dont call me a troll. You just snort the KoolAid powder right out of the box.
Fact. Skywest only gets vacation they bid per day, Pbs will bid around those days. Of you take three vacation days pbs cab put a trip infront and behind it. This is nothing new and the rest of the world operates this way.
Fact. Skywest pilots have to sit ready at the airport inside the footprint of a canceled turn. Not always, plus they're paying you the greater of and 99% of the time you're there anyways. If your CDO is Xld they will send you home, etc.
Fact. Skywest fires more people than any 121 airline in America. I'm friends with our diciplinary rep, this statment is completly false.
Fact. Skywest pilots only get paid a base crj rate and an override only when they fly a 70. and the 90, it's called a BHO for Brad Holt Override. But even after taking the BHO into account we are among the highest paying pilots in the nation on our equipment and that includes L-ASA and L-XJT. Maybe not on every year but on the majority with a higher top. You're sad to argue about a buck here or there, it just shows us what kind of a person you are (hint, see below).
Fact. Skywest only gets vacation they bid per day, Pbs will bid around those days. Of you take three vacation days pbs cab put a trip infront and behind it. This is nothing new and the rest of the world operates this way.
Fact. Skywest pilots have to sit ready at the airport inside the footprint of a canceled turn. Not always, plus they're paying you the greater of and 99% of the time you're there anyways. If your CDO is Xld they will send you home, etc.
Fact. Skywest fires more people than any 121 airline in America. I'm friends with our diciplinary rep, this statment is completly false.
Fact. Skywest pilots only get paid a base crj rate and an override only when they fly a 70. and the 90, it's called a BHO for Brad Holt Override. But even after taking the BHO into account we are among the highest paying pilots in the nation on our equipment and that includes L-ASA and L-XJT. Maybe not on every year but on the majority with a higher top. You're sad to argue about a buck here or there, it just shows us what kind of a person you are (hint, see below).
BTW, if things are so bad over here why is the overwhelming MAJOIRTY of our pilot group made up of pilots from other 121 (including LOTS of ex-XJTers) union careers and we're happy? And if it’s sooooo bad why do unions keep getting voted down with, again, the majority of our pilots being from other 121 union carriers?
Last edited by MatchPoint; 03-31-2012 at 05:28 PM.
03-31-2012 | 05:24 PM
#47
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But you are an APC troll; all you have to do is read you’re postings. Everyone on here can tell you're a miserable person and you probably live under a bridge that has SkyWest painted in it.
BTW, if things are so bad over here why is the overwhelming MAJOIRTY of our pilot group made up of pilots from other 121 (including LOTS of ex-XJTers) union careers and we're happy? And if it’s sooooo bad why do unions keep getting voted down with, again, the majority of our pilots being from other 121 union carriers?
BTW, if things are so bad over here why is the overwhelming MAJOIRTY of our pilot group made up of pilots from other 121 (including LOTS of ex-XJTers) union careers and we're happy? And if it’s sooooo bad why do unions keep getting voted down with, again, the majority of our pilots being from other 121 union carriers?
That carries no weight, but hey.
03-31-2012 | 05:29 PM
#48
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From: AA Airbus
Again, Skywest bought Expressjet wholly informed about their finances, and with full knowledge of their current contract And that they would soon be in negotiations for a new one.
Pay rates look about the same. Vacation and per diem are not too far off. So what's your problem? Do you feel our work rules are making our side unprofitable? Anyway, it seems like you want us to take pay cuts to make sure your regional career is as stable and possible. I understand where you are coming from. But we simply want what everyone wants - improved qol.
By the way, our financials have been steadily improving. Even your management expects profitability this year. We are doing fine. Skywest has plenty of cash. Relax, we are not going to bankrupt you. As we continue integrating with ASA we should only get more efficient.
Pay rates look about the same. Vacation and per diem are not too far off. So what's your problem? Do you feel our work rules are making our side unprofitable? Anyway, it seems like you want us to take pay cuts to make sure your regional career is as stable and possible. I understand where you are coming from. But we simply want what everyone wants - improved qol.
By the way, our financials have been steadily improving. Even your management expects profitability this year. We are doing fine. Skywest has plenty of cash. Relax, we are not going to bankrupt you. As we continue integrating with ASA we should only get more efficient.
Your pay rates aren’t the problem, over all we‘re around $1 or $2 of each other with SkyWest Airlines on average paying a bit more. One question is how much are you guys asking for? Just $1 more when you have 4500 pilots will cost the company around $4.5 million. If you try to raise the bar by 5% then you could find yourself losing far more than that when it comes to lost upgrades and furloughs, it’s just not worth it. Yes more money would be great but we’re “subcontractors” and in this industry you’ll get replaced at the drop of a hat by another airline that makes far less much (GoJet).
There are many other areas you guys could cut cost without decreasing your income. On the L-ASA side, operating the CR2 and CR7/9’s with two separate pilot list increases cost quite a bit and seriously decreases both crew and aircraft utilizations/efficiencies. I’ve heard pilot say it’s not safe, come on man you’re a professional pilot! At Delta they operate the 757-200, 757-300 and 767-300ER (those are WAY more different) all with the same group. Same goes for the 737-700 and 737-800, plus the MD-88/90 and A319/A320. They’re not the only ones, Alaska operates all their 737’s (700, 800 and 900’s) with the same group and FedEx operates the MD(DC)-10 and MD-11 with the same group. In addition US Air with their A319, A320 and A321’s; SWA with their 737-300/500/700 & 800’s, Spirit with A319/A321’s, JetBlue with their A319/A320’s…… the list goes on and on. Here at SkyWest we operate all three (CR2/7/9) with one group. I've never heard our pilots complain, mostly I hear about how much they like it and we’re not the only CRJ operator who does this. The only restriction at SkyWest is when you’re on a CR2 trip you won’t flow into the CR7 or CR9 but only because they like to keep the crews together (match scheds or simplicity) and that would require an additional FA for a few legs. Our CR7 and CR9 trips will flow between to two since you're already a crew of 4.
Next there’s PBS, yes complain all you want about it but it reduces cost though better crew and aircraft utilization and in order to stay competitive it’s just another way to reduce cost without taking pay cuts.
Another way SkyWest Inc. can reduce cost is by merging the new XJT with SkyWest Airlines. One set of labor groups, on Mgmt. group, one training department, on Mx department, no dual domiciles, etc. This would greatly reduce cost.
Last edited by MatchPoint; 03-31-2012 at 05:41 PM.
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