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Old 01-26-2015, 07:21 AM
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Fact is, that 1500 hours isn't a lot of experience and doesn't give you a golden ticket to flying families through the mountains in near zero visibility conditions..
I completely agree with you. Same goes for the 20 year old kid who passed the dozen JAA writtens and flight tests and was put on the right seat of a 737. Same goes for the CFI here in the US that gets put on the right seat of a CRJ200, but he/she starts picking up some valuable lessons and experience learning from the right seat. Flying freight runs between 3 points for a year or two, or keeping yourself from getting spun or killed by overconfident students, albeit different, both have their individual challenges.

Most people fail out of training because they can't fly instruments.
That's on the pilot. If he/she didn't care to get current or invest some time in brushing up on those skills, then they shouldn't be going to an interview at all.
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Old 01-26-2015, 07:24 AM
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So, you're upset that a company is rewarding previous experience in an aircraft they already can fly?
Not at all. I'm arguing that everyone should be entitled to a hiring bonus if they chose to take the regional path because the pay is ****ty, the contracts are so so and it would help to supplement first year income. Any other interpretations are your own.
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Old 01-26-2015, 07:33 AM
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Not at all. I'm arguing that everyone should be entitled to a hiring bonus if they chose to take the regional path because the pay is ****ty, the contracts are so so and it would help to supplement first year income. Any other interpretations are your own.
Then vote with your feet. There are plenty of airlines offering bonuses to everyone. Hiring bonuses aren't "good will" offerings by the airlines. They are only doing it to target a specific candidate. You aren't that candidate. Sorry if that doesn't make you feel special.
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Old 01-26-2015, 07:34 AM
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Your CFI didn't get hired here at 650 hours.
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Old 01-26-2015, 07:37 AM
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Then vote with your feet. There are plenty of airlines offering bonuses to everyone. Hiring bonuses aren't "good will" offerings by the airlines. They are only doing it to target a specific candidate. You aren't that candidate. Sorry if that doesn't make you feel special.
I thought the biggest reason why most were offering hiring bonuses is because they can't attract pilots. And I am so not worried about being special - but I promise you one day when I grow up, I am going to be just like you...
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Old 01-26-2015, 07:46 AM
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I thought the biggest reason why most were offering hiring bonuses is because they can't attract pilots. And I am so not worried about being special - but I promise you one day when I grow up, I am going to be just like you...
You are indeed "special", just ask your mom. Skywest has been a day late and a dollar short for awhile now. 7-8 year upgrade, no contract, and reserve rules that era back to the dark ages vs which ever regional that has a quick upgrade and 20K signing bonus . Means we are gonna feel the pain, sooner rather than later. Heard the story of a senior EMB120 Captain with a few years left to 65, was handing his resignation letter in to his chief who asked him to reconsider and stay for the transition. Bottom line, Skywest cannot afford to lose one single pilot Jr or Sr.
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Old 01-26-2015, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Da40Pilot View Post
....a VERY long time ago. The CFI who got me through my solo got hired at Skywest in 2006 with 650 hours and is now a Captain. He only instructed for a few months. He did pass the training, and that's what matters. You're there to learn and you learn quick. Europe puts you in the right seat of a 737 at 250 hours and so does South America. Undermining CFIs is pretty low. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Not undermining, just putting things in context when CFI's whine about having to get 1500 hours. Once they get there, they have their choice of regionals. Historically 1500 was the earliest you *might* get a call, and even then you'd be waiting many months for a class date. Things are still better now than they were for most of the civilian track pilots in the past.

And SKW was not hiring 650 hour pilots in 2006 (unless maybe they were a close relative of somebody in SGU).
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:05 AM
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Not at all. I'm arguing that everyone should be entitled to a hiring bonus if they chose to take the regional path because the pay is ****ty, the contracts are so so and it would help to supplement first year income. Any other interpretations are your own.[/QUOTE]

It's people like you who think you're hot stuff thinking you're risking your life every day to fly with students. If you were worth a dang instructing instead of just trying to get by then you shouldn't be worried about someone killing you. You all (just meet min cfi's) think you're entitled to a huge bonus and people to bow down to you because you're willing to work for them. You're not. We all start at first year pay and deal with it. Someone like you should be weeded out during the interview process here and head over to Republic, TSA, or ev for a bonus. Seriously. Quit whining about deserving more.
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:11 AM
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It's people like you who think you're hot stuff thinking you're risking your life every day to fly with students. If you were worth a dang instructing instead of just trying to get by then you shouldn't be worried about someone killing you. You all (just meet min cfi's) think you're entitled to a huge bonus and people to bow down to you because you're willing to work for them. You're not. We all start at first year pay and deal with it. Someone like you should be weeded out during the interview process here and head over to Republic, TSA, or ev for a bonus. Seriously. Quit whining about deserving more.
Hey now. Let's not lump all us guys who got hired with the mins into one group. I knew full well what I was getting into and prepared financially for first year pay. Not to say I'm not counting down the days to my anniversary, but not all of us are 20-somethings who feel like everyone owes us.
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Old 01-26-2015, 08:15 AM
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The signing bonus has been canned. I talked to the man in charge last week and he said that they have opted to not do a bonus for now and instead are going to offer a referral bonus. He wouldn't say how much the referral bonus would be but did say that no new hire bonus will be offered for now. They also do have a shorter approved training set up with the FAA but since we don't really have a ton of 121 guys being hired we don't use it. If they did offer $5,000 to any prior RJ pilots then the training footprint is shortened substantially and would save the company over $5,000 so they would just be passing the savings on to the new hire if they gave them the $5,000. A cfi would not get the shrortened training and would actually cost more to train so I can see them not offering it to a cfi because they cost more. Again I can tell you from the man in charge THEIR IS NO SIGNING BONUS BEING OFFERED AS OF LAST WEEK! They will offer a referral bonus.
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