SMACFUM

You are absolutely right, and I believe the domain name of the site was registered under the name of an individual pilot. But even if it wasn't does anybody think even for a second that that SkyWest would go to bat legally for any pilot or SAPA if lawsuits are filed (regardless weather they hold merit or not)?

I am not an ALPA supporter whatsoever at the regional level. Although, at least ALPA has some pretty deep resources at their disposal which would prove useful in issues like this. This just goes to show what an utterly impotent organization SAPA actually is.

Hooray for fear of litigation!!!

Paid2fly

I never at any time compared it to my "rights". I think you're confusing me with someone else.

Nevets

Ok, I see where your coming from now. I understand your point of view. In reality, a pilot union is only as good as its MEC and the decisions they make. Each MEC is independent in the decisions they feel is best for their pilots. No one at ALPA national can compel any MEC to do anything. But even if you don't want ALPA, which is fine, you can also go independent.



Well, I'm glad that people are starting to realize the propaganda of being best paid, best work rules, etc. We'll see what happens with the vote results.

DirkDiggler

They (airlines) need us more than we need them. See attached vintage ad.

CBreezy

I'm not talking just to you. This is a group conversation.

Electra

Okayyyy... So, when we get the mythical BIG UNION on property, who's going to lead us? The same guys ya'll are attacking for being SGU puppets, that's who, nobody else wants to get involved, and very few could even be bothered to vote in an election. I don't expect better representation to suddenly materialize just because we go union.

ReadyRsv

People didn't like the pay package, ran out of logical arguments and descended into name calling then progressed to actual harassment. SAPA didn't want to be on the hook for ruining someone's career. The people who got banned should be THANKFUL the forums got taken down when they did, their lack of self-control and decorum could have landed them without a job... or worse.

Nevets

The pilots on the organizing committee would most likely be the pool from which you would get the new blood.

TMoney

A guy advocated we vote in the new contract cause he wants skywest to prosper at the expense of pilots having low pay (1.5% raise plus some bonus stuff that equates to one extra pay check a year and one more day off a month?). Whoopdy doo. Someone looked into the guy who advocated the yes vote and realized said pilot had a previous career and was financially secure. He had a nice big house and didn't need the income from Skywest. I congratulate him on his previous success but to go on the forum and tell those who rely on this industry to feed their wife and kids after spending years and $100,000 and up on an education is not cool. Some pilots were upset because a yes vote limits our bargaining ability to make flying a desirable and profitable career over the next 3 years. Republic is crashing, airlines are making millions and we are gonna settle for a tiny raise? You're right people are gonna be upset. Can't believe more people aren't upset. Are we that accepting of less than we deserve? Think back to your early days struggling financially as a student, flight instructor, cargo, charter, 135, when is the last time you had a weekend or Xmas off? We deserve better! Why did we vote this in?? Let's just settle for crappy pay and work rules when skywest made 30 million in 3 months???

TMoney

We don't need alpa, we need pilots that are willing to push harder for big improvements. Find that first then we can talk about alpa.