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Old 08-18-2015, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Is offline View Post
anyone who comes to OO expecting less than a 4 year upgrade really needs to rethink their decision process. It can be 4 today and 8 tomorrow. The flying we will be getting will be replacing other airframes.
Upgrade was at 2 years when I started. After over 7 years, I had my first opportunity to upgrade. It would require a 4 hour commute to sit reserve. I'll upgrade after I can get decent seniority on the west coast other than Denver (85% 4 day trips, no thanks) If that takes another year or so, so be it. I honestly would rather spend my time applying vs studying for upgrade.
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Old 08-18-2015, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFly View Post
Upgrade times are an ever changing number, at every airline, on every level. No way to truly tell what tomorrow will bring. Seniority is everything...the sooner one gets in, the sooner one can move up...and that's the truth.
Except at XJT. So many undesirables pollute the top of our seniority list that unless they retire or drop dead, we are in for a long ride in the right seat.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:19 PM
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Ya. Upgrades can swing widly. Ive seen them offer newhires captain spots at OO.. Right this second its 3.5"ish years. Heard the VP say the plan on it droping to 2.5"ish by this winter...
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post
That spreadsheet is about the only reason to visit the sapa forums these days. Keep it up, sir....
That one is not mine, but I use it to make sure I am getting the same data. Guess we will see how useful the data is going forward. I'm sure it will be outdated by the time the post gets approved.

I use mine to track upgrades, block hours, PBS bidding pilots and reserve percentage. That is why I am not nearly as optimistic about our pay package leading to more staffing. The company has proven over and over again that they are willing to sell our QOL down the river and my data doesn't show SGU doing anything different.

We were supposed to see an increase in staffing due to 117. Well if you look at our staffing vs block hours over the past couple years, we didn't add pilots for 117. Now here comes the company wanting to reflow the line holders with the EFB. Again, this will be to cover for decreased reserve staffing. All the reasons given for reflow should be covered with reserves.

All of our issues with trip efficiency will not get better by adding pilot input on pairing creation. It will only get better when AS and JO are shown the door and SGU decides they need to do something different because "the way we always have done it" isn't working anymore. The fact that SAPA was able to show increased efficiency with Virtual Domiciles and it was shot down, should be a good indicator of how much SGU wants to work with the pilots on solutions.
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Old 08-18-2015, 01:12 PM
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2 years or 5 years SKYWEST is still better than 6 months at Mesa or gojet!!!
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Old 08-18-2015, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned View Post
Upgrade was at 2 years when I started. After over 7 years, I had my first opportunity to upgrade. It would require a 4 hour commute to sit reserve. I'll upgrade after I can get decent seniority on the west coast other than Denver (85% 4 day trips, no thanks) If that takes another year or so, so be it. I honestly would rather spend my time applying vs studying for upgrade.
Yes, this^^^^.... I just turned down upgrade for this reason. My QOL is decent, but would go to complete shyt.... Some things aren't worth a few extra bucks...Glad some people understand this because most can't wrap their head around it and think I'm crazy...
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Old 08-18-2015, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd View Post
Ya. Upgrades can swing widly. Ive seen them offer newhires captain spots at OO.. Right this second its 3.5"ish years. Heard the VP say the plan on it droping to 2.5"ish by this winter...
The only reason they will drop to 2.5 years is no one wants to go to ORD or MSP.
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Old 08-18-2015, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by disillusioned View Post
That one is not mine, but I use it to make sure I am getting the same data. Guess we will see how useful the data is going forward. I'm sure it will be outdated by the time the post gets approved.



I use mine to track upgrades, block hours, PBS bidding pilots and reserve percentage. That is why I am not nearly as optimistic about our pay package leading to more staffing. The company has proven over and over again that they are willing to sell our QOL down the river and my data doesn't show SGU doing anything different.



We were supposed to see an increase in staffing due to 117. Well if you look at our staffing vs block hours over the past couple years, we didn't add pilots for 117. Now here comes the company wanting to reflow the line holders with the EFB. Again, this will be to cover for decreased reserve staffing. All the reasons given for reflow should be covered with reserves.



All of our issues with trip efficiency will not get better by adding pilot input on pairing creation. It will only get better when AS and JO are shown the door and SGU decides they need to do something different because "the way we always have done it" isn't working anymore. The fact that SAPA was able to show increased efficiency with Virtual Domiciles and it was shot down, should be a good indicator of how much SGU wants to work with the pilots on solutions.

If staffing hasn't increased for 117, how is the flying being covered? I know your CCF has gone down a bit but not enough to make up for the increased staffing 117 required.


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Old 08-18-2015, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Is offline View Post
The only reason they will drop to 2.5 years is no one wants to go to ORD or MSP.
Just out of curiosity, why is ORD undesirable?
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Old 08-18-2015, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Whatmeworry View Post
2 years or 5 years SKYWEST is still better than 6 months at Mesa or gojet!!!
But Compass is respectable right? That's the word on the street.
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