Seriously dude? 6 billion in share repurchases combined with our ROiC and spreadsheet and you equate this difference in what it would take for SW pilots to have a true industry contract with furloughs?

Have you taken your pocket calculator to that?

For all the good at SWA you will be surrounded with this here 4-Eva! It will cost you a lot of money in your career. A lot.

Everything I saw was between 75-90 hrs pay. Depends if you want 18 off or 16 off. Weekends or not. Everyone has their own preference. Same with fleet. You could be on property 5 years on the 717 and be top 10% or be there 15 and bottom 30% on the 777. Which is one reason 6000 FO's are passing on upgrade on the -88 and -717. Some value QOL over $. Some want to sit rsv and never work. Best I saw with 1 week VAC was 24 off, but only he sent me 2 fleet bids in 2 bases.

I understand how seniority lists work at companies with more than a single fleet type, I've worked at them in the past.

My question was what equipment does a guy sitting at 8-10% of the master seniority list typically bid? Are they mostly narrow body Capts?

Neighbor, 25 year UAL FO, 777
-Relatively senior in seat/fleet
-Normally awarded 70ish credit
-Tries to pick up but normally doesn't to equal 83ish credit

224 X 70= $15,680 month
224x 83= $18,592 month

Recently lost all his retirement, and worked for what he says was 40% less than he was in late 90's. Just got back some of his pay and B-Fund.

Hates the company, told me "never come here"

At ual, dal, or AA you would not be close to top 8-10% of seniority list at 22 years.

But I AM at that level here, so it's a relevant comparison.

I'll ask again.....

What does a guy sitting in the top 10%, right now, today, at a legacy work and make?

We're comparing contracts, this should be pretty simple.

Here's another general message you will never escape at SW. It's the "well I have a neighbor who flies for FedEx and he lives in a box on the side of the highway and he's 27 but looks 95."

On this website anyone can verify that 22 years at UAL will get you to 16 percent seniority at no growth. Assuming some growth 10 percent is possible. UAL's curve isn't the best.

Two dynamics at play here. SWA pilots not wanting to see their comparable contract deficiencies because denial is less painful and intellectual laziness is easier. OAL pilots who would not believe some of the stuff we don't have if they were here.

Like no dropping trips, no long call out reserve, reserve used to cover open line flying as the norm so very little sitting, sub standard retirement, etc etc etc.

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This thread has definitely run its course. I really don't get why we are comparing airlines. All the majors are great at this point.
SWA isn't like other airlines. Our work rules, pay, and incentives in the contract make us a whole different animal. It's good or terrible depending on your perspective on life. If you like it here, great. The first true test of the the new SWA will be an economic downturn. I would watch my mouth until then.
We need some improvements in our contract. So do other airlines. This shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.
If you work for SWA and think you have somehow hit the lottery or are doing better than your neighbor, think again. It is just another big corporation, run by bean counters who will replace you with a cheaper alternative at the first available opportunity. All the feel good BS and swag points in the world won't pay your bills. When you pop the door on your retirement flight, feel free to gloat. Until then, I would maybe be a little more humble.

Every time you post I find myself nodding. You've said it all flawlessly. Again.


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I have no idea because everyone bids differently. Top 10% will get you widebody cap'n if you choose to hold it. Your schedule will be in the 15-18 off range with a 75-90 credit. The only difference would be the leg length and your overnight. So if you want a simple answer figure out what plane you'd bid if you were in the top 10% and multiply a 12 yr CA on that fleet by 85 and you'll have an avg monthly take home.

Will SWA Ever Rival Legacy Pay??
 

I'm a reserve captain. I picked up 1 turn this month. 13 days off and have 128 tfp on my board. I did trade 2 reserve blocks for actual trips but they were normal paying trip. If someone complains about that, they have issues. I will take our work rules over a $5 hr raise to match the competition any day...unless we are in negotiations which I want to up them and then hope they up us.


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